Charlie Kirk has been shot dead. I don’t condone violence, murder, or mayhem. I don’t think many in Ye Olde Blogge s readership do. I won’t contenance any baseless accusations or threats in the comments, either. Just so we’re up front about things.
However, I do appreciate irony. And, the man who said, “I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights,” getting shot, well, that maybe just proves there’s a god. Not that he deserved it, or even that it should’ve happened, but come on. There’s irony in that thar quote.
We’ve all seen the rush to praise Kirk for his selfless work promoting free speech and honest open dialogue among those who may be on different sides of the political spectrum. His efforts to protect the rights, dignity, and humanity of all who live in our great country and the world, much like his professed belief in Christianity tells us we should do.
Why in the moments before being shot, that he was parading some of his respectful honest exchanges on controversial topics — this time, ironically enough, mass shootings and gun violence — with a college student. Let’s just go through the exchange lest the vile mudslinging hateful left leave us with the wrong impression about who exactly Charlie Kirk was:
QUESTION: “Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?”
KIRK: “Too many.”
To their credit, the questioner told him it was five. Of course, Kirk also thinks that some gun deaths are necessary and acceptable so that we can have our gun rights, except those caused by the incredible minority that is th trans community. Those gun deaths, those should be prevented.
The questioner went on to ask about the number of mass shootings (5700 BTW), Kirk displayed his characteristics sympathy, empathy, and honesty in his response by asking whether we should include those connected to gang violence because Black, Brown, and immigrants. Oh, my bad. I capitalized Black and Brown and don’t capitalize white when referring to race, which was something that Kirk thought only radicalized and divided us.
Others on my social media feed have been reproducing his public statements made in the days prior to his murder.
He is quoted as saying, “The young women who voted for Harris want careerism, consumerism, and loneliness.” Really, there are people in the world who want loneliness? And, why shouldn’t women have careers and consume the goods that drive our economy? Oh, because they won’t be barefoot and pregnant the way Kirk thinks god wants ’em to be and there’s only one interpretation of what god wants, Kirk’s.
We know this because he contacted the female Harris voters with the male Trump voters, “Trump voters, young men, they want family, children, legacy.” See? It’s those selfish women who refuse to play the part of docile subservient incubator and not an economy that requires two incomes just to stay afloat much less have kids and provide a legacy.
He told Joe Rogan, “The American way of life is simple… not to have my kids be taught the gay lesbian transgender garbage in their school. While also, not having them have to hear the Muslim call to prayer five times a day. That’d important.” Because the call to prayer might do what to us? Because understanding the difficulties that gay, lesbian, and transgender people face because of bigots like him, might do what to us exactly?
Of immigration, he agreed with Trump that “Mass migration is a weapon of mass destruction” when Trump posted a dubious article stating that will be raped presumably due to the mass migration.
His misinterpretation of a recent NBC News poll — is it deliberate or did he just not get the concept? I guess we’ll never know — that because 51% of the Gen Z female Harris voters in the poll chose having a fulfilling job or career as important to having a successful life, it meant that they wanted to die alone without children. Ask Lindsey Graham about that one… Oh, I guess he’ll have to wait until they meet up in hell or haunt the Senator or something.
And, my personal favorite hot take of all time, “We don’t have enough people in prison in America. We need a lot more prisoners.” A clarion call to racism is what that is. We all know who is incarcerated in America.
Charlie Kirk, the man who made toxic masculinity cool again. Seriously, don’t let them gaslight you with their kind words about Charlie Kirk.
How are you going to remember Charlie Kirk? I’d love to read about it in the comments.
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I deplore violence and Mr. Kirk certainly did not deserve to die. Conferring any sort of free speech sainthood on this hypocritical man would be a mistake. He actively organized an army of conservative campus activists to track down, then publicly attempt to humiliate and push for the firing of academics who simply disagreed with a broad range of topics in their narrow conservative or Christian nationalist world view. While I generally respected his willingness to “debate” all comers and I will say he was pretty effective at spanking the hell out of the average American student walking up to a microphone. It was interesting to see how his rhetorical tricks, irrelevant intellectual cull de sacs and red herrings didn’t work when facing experienced British debaters at an elite university. The man was a moderately talented propagandist and his organization has done and is doing a lot of damage to a huge number of people. It is a shame that it appears that the anti-trans hatred he spread boomeranged onto the man in the form of a bullet and I’m deeply sad for his children who did not deserve to lose their father.
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Howdy Steven!
I found Charlie Kirk to be disingenuous hypocrisy. He’s like everyone else in MAGAland, cosplaying free speech, debate, and cross-aisle engagement. He was a troll. He was out there to provoke and badger rather than being an honest attempt to exchange information, opinion, and points-of-view.
All of that said, it is not right that he was shot and killed any more than it I was right that George Floyd or Trevor Martin died.
Huzzah!
Jack
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The real problem of this shooting would be how many others who appeal to his younger demographic audience will take his place!
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Howdy James!
It is just galling that the messaging on the right is that it is the liberals who are fomenting violence. All metrics indicate that the vast majority of political violence is committed by rightwing actors. Unfortunately, this suggests that they really do want actual real violence between liberals and conservatives. It reminds me of all the racist mass shooters who attack Black institutions hoping to start a race war. This feels a lot like getting a conservative to murder a conservative icon, blame it on the liberals, and hope that more conservatives attack more liberals until some libera somewhere actually fights back.
Huzzah!
Jack
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How about those who stormed the capitol being pardoned? Does that get enough publicity these days as to who’s fomenting such violence?
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Howdy Usfman!
I’m listening to past episodes of “Wait! Wait! Don’t Tell Me” the weekly NPR news quiz show. I think I’m all the way back to the summer of 20203. It really is sobering to hear the news from Biden’s accomplishments and achievements. It’s unbelievable that things went against him the way they did. Unbelievable being the operative term. It’s equally unbelievable that people don’t seem to remember all the crap Trump did and was PREVENTED from doing the first time around. That there are only enablers in the White House makes it really insane.
Huzzah!
Jack
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ii feel empathy for his family. I don’t feel a bit of it for the man himself as he was a vile representation of humanity. I don’t wish death on anyone. But all of my “hopes and prayers” will go to people who actually deserve them.
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Howdy Suze!
I can’t imagine what they’re going through. I hope they are treated well and are protected from the course vileness that is so popular nowadays. But, I agree with you, I’m not wasting too much sympathy on him. I do, however, enjoy the irony of it all.
Blog On, Sibling!
Jack
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That man was a man of God, a martyr, and innocent. He spoke the truth kindly, but bluntly.
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Howdy Heather,
We must believe in two very different gods. My god would not condone a statement the says some people must die as the cost of our Second Amendment. In my experience of him, he was not kind, but cruel. And, he was certainly no man of any god I’ve ever worshipped or read the word of.
All of that said, he did not deserve to be shot. I’m glad we are treating him and his survivors with more respect and dignity than he ever afforded other victims of gun violence.
Blog On, Sibling!
Jack
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Hi Jack, thanks for this thoughtful reply.
I hear what you’re saying and I respect your perspective on this. I come from a different place on what I believe, but I am grateful you took the time to respond so respectfully.
The world needs more of that.
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I shall remember his as a hateful little troll….whose words have done more harm to the system than not….the MSM is doing all it can to whitewash this slugs legacy.
Jack once again there is another article for you….https://neurosciencenews.com/evolution-brain-asd-29672/
Have a good day chuq
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Howdy Chuq!
There’s individual harm and collective harm. As an individual, he has harmed so many people. By showing up on campuses and “debating” students he has caused harm by using humiliation and being a dishonest interlocutor. By promoting toxic masculinity and white supremacy, though, he’s harmed huge swaths of the population. Not just the targeted marginalized groups, but also, the targeted aggressors, the young white men who are implementing his ideas.
I read on Mock Paper Scissors that someone thinks he was the next MAGA hope to lead the movement and that is the real reason so many people are upset and demanding that we all be nice to a person who used his platform and celebrity to cause as much damage to real live human beings and Americans as he could.
Huzzah!
Jack
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All this out poring for this person is disgusting to me….he has done nothing but divide a country that is reeling….chuq
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Howdy Chuq!
Seeing the number of people fired because they’ve been quoting Charlie Kirk is as astonishing as it is disgusting. I can’t believe that so many institutions are kowtowing to the right and whitewashing Kirk’s blatantly hateful rhetoric.
Blog On, Sibling!
Jack
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Jack I think a lot of the kowtowing has to do with money. chuq
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That’s exactly why business won’t save us. The only thing capitalism is good for is selling things for a profit. Look out when you become another commodity to be traded for profit.
Jack
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Jack I have read that Americans are losing trust in capitalism….I will deep dive into that for a later post. chuq
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Howdy Chuq!
I’m looking forward to that post. I can’t believe that we will throw over capitalism for socialism in any form. Oligarchy, fascism, totalitarianism, sure we will, but something that actually helps marginalized groups. Like hell.
Jack
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Jack you are probably right….I mean the voter has been screwing most of the population for many decades. chuq
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How am I going to remember? I am not going to remember. I can find no socially redeeming reason to remember. My thoughts and prayers to the family though. Nobody deserves to go out in that fashion…everyone has a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness… It was a tragedy …but I have no skin in the kind of game that he was promoting. My heart is sorely in grief for his loved ones. I know what it is to lose loved ones.
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Howdy John!
He purposefully promoted toxic ideologies. He affected our entire society by encouraging young white men to express their inner racist and misogynist that our culture infects people with. He as an individual does not deserve the time of day, but his legacy will be affecting us all for a while.
Huzzah!
Jack
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I do not share the views he became known for, and I believe they stand apart from the truth of God’s Word, which teaches us to love our neighbor and honor the dignity of every person.
Even so, as a follower of Christ, I am called to look on every person with compassion. I see him not only in terms of ideas that I believe were divisive, but also as a soul loved by God and in need of grace—just as we all are. My hope is that his passing will remind us of our responsibility to live out Christ’s love in a world that so often drifts from it.
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If we can get that much out of it, then some good will come from this hideous event.
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Trump rushed to his crappy fake Twitter site to lionize him within moments of the event. I could be wrong but I think he still hasn’t said diddly squat about the Minnesota legislators and their spouses getting shot by a deranged MAGA supporter who had 45 other Minnesota Democratic politicians on his ‘kill list’ .
The Internet Keyboard Kommando Investigators are already spawning a thousand conspiracy theories about how this is directly the fault of the Perfidious and violent Leftist Demonrats, err , ‘Democrats’ that will undoubtedly be laundered into the mainstream by the usual suspects in the Right Wing Mediaverse.
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Howdy Bruce!
Trump hasn’t said anything about the Minnesota assassinations. He isn’t going to. Everything is about him, so if he doesn’t like it or feels it is against him, it is fair game.
MAGA needs a martyr to help counter the harsh economic and climatic times that Trump has unleashed and worsened. Conveniently, Kirk has provided one for them.
Huzzah!
Jack
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Honestly, the Left are so blinded and focused on what is their “truth” that this post makes me sick. Charlie Kirk was called to simply talk to college students on campuses. And what did they do? They cussed him out, insulted him, and now the Left are twisting that and saying he’s the “hateful” one and saying he “harmed people.” He did nothing of the sort! He just spoke his thoughts and debated people on their beliefs. No, the Left are the haters. They’ve caused more harm by getting infuriated when someone disagrees with them.
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I will admit Charlie was fairly cordial with his opponents in person. But Heather, you seem to have completely forgotten that Charlie organized a rather large nationwide effort to fire college professors he disagreed with. I deplore violence and nothing could justify it. Hate begets hate and blaming only one side of an argument this violent is a denial of reality. The death toll from right wing violence is more than double that of the other side in the last decade. Claiming that Charlie, Trump and the right wing did not engage in gobs of hateful rhetoric is pretty darn silly.
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It isn’t hate if it hurts your feelings. Firing professors that didn’t preach the truth and forced their ideals on young college students and twisting their minds and thoughts is reasonable. Evolutionists are fine screaming at Creationists and firing them for their beliefs, and we do nothing about it!
Saying and bringing truth into other people’s beliefs isn’t violence. The Definition of violence is behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something. A physical force. Using rude or, what you define as “oppressive,” isn’t violence.
I also think its funny that the same people who led riots and put down people for their beliefs when Trump was elected is also saying that a man trying to show truth into peoples lives is terrible. At least we weren’t the ones who killed him. Its also funny to think that when Biden was in office, there were no assassination attempts, but when Trump is in office, he’s been shot at and threatened 2-3 times. I would say work on your own side before attacking ours.
Also, I would like to say one last thing. I would like proof before you start saying things like, “claiming that Charlie, Trump and the right wing did not engage in gobs of hateful rhetoric is pretty darn silly.” Kirk never did anything hateful, only spoke the truth, and people only seemed humiliated because they couldn’t defend their own beliefs.
Thank you for speaking your thoughts. I enjoy having conversations with people over their beliefs.
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Howdy Heather!
I don’t like the direction this exchange is taking. There can be no argument about Kirk’s disingenuous and deceptive debate practices during his university visits. His very last exchange with a questioner demonstrated that. There can be no argument about Kirk’s horrific statements. For example, he called Leviticus 20 in which a man who lies with another man should be stoned to death, God’s perfect law on sexuality. While the context was demonstrating the breadth of sentiment in the Bible (especially if the Old Testament is included), it comes perilously close to advocating for death for being gay. He has also said that Jewish money is undermining US and Western values and has used antisemitic tropes.
What made Kirk such a dangerous rhetorician is that he was able to cloak some his more sinister thoughts in indirect language. For example, he said that empathy was dangerous and did a lot of harm. He sought to discourage people from having empathy.
He hounded people out of their jobs for having views that are contrary to his. There is nothing more unAmerican than that. It isn’t equivalent to academic responses to creationism, and even if it were, it wouldn’t make it right.
There are two truths when it comes to Kirk: (1) He got religion when it served his interests. Before starting Turning Point USA, he was a well known secularist. It is clearly and well documented in his own word. Now people can get religion and undergo conversion. It is just makes me suspicious when it coincides with making someone extremely wealthy.
And (2) he was more than happy to oppress those who disagreed with him. There is no both sides here. Kirk and the right’s record on oppressing free speech far outweighs anything that anyone has done since the inception of the country.
But, Heather and any other readers. This discussion ends here. While I’m grateful that we have not devolved into name calling, Heather, you have not elevated your argument past making unsubstantiated claims. “Kirk never did anything hateful,” cannot be substantiated. In my view, he has caused real harm to people through his rhetoric and he was a dishonest and deceptive interlocutor. Since I have published sufficient evidence to support this point, it is no longer up for debate.
Huzzah!
Jack
PS All of the violence perpetrated against Trump, Kirk, the Hortmans, Hoffmans, and Paul Pelosi were all rightwing conservatives. FBI crime statistics demonstrate that political violence in the US is overwhelmingly committed by conservatives. These are facts and not open for debate.
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