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SUMMARY: The nation’s punditry class and newly minted social media experts have coalesced around the hot take that MAGA is fracturing around the ICE atrocities being committed in Minnesota and our concentration camps. This interpretation amounts to so much confirmation bias and self serving nonsense. The Republican Party at all levels still provides overwhelming support for the ethnic cleansing of America and abolishing civil liberties. The Politico poll clearly shows that support.
KEY WORDS: Ethnic Cleansing, Civil Liberties, Republican Party, Politico, Polling, MAGA, non-MAGA Republicans, Hot Takes, ICE, White Nationalism
COMMENT: What do you think, is there a meaningful difference between the usual Republican support for Trump of 90+% and the current support of ICE methods and goals of 74%?
- ICE: Too Aggressive vs Not Aggressive Enough
- Ethnic Cleansing Goals vs Methods
- There is No Change in the Anti-Democratic White Nationalist Goals of the Republican Rank and Vile
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The punditing pundits and social media experts have dropped a lot of pixels on their hot take that there are splits in MAGA over ICE atrocities. The horrific images of brutal murders, traumatized children, and inhumane conditions in our concentration camps, the theory goes, has turned the “I didn’t vote for this crowd” against Trump’s mass deportations. There’s even polling evidence, they all pant excitedly, referring to a recent Politico poll, Republicans are worried about Trump’s deportation campaign, and our new poll shows why. They couldn’t be more wrong. Let’s take a look at how it is the wrong take away from the poll.
ICE: Too Aggressive vs Not Aggressive Enough
One of the takeaways is based on the question of whether the deportation effort by ICE has been either too aggressive or not aggressive enough. The respondents have been divided into MAGA and non-MAGA Republicans. While it is tempting to argue that self-identifying as a non-MAGA Republican is just so much cognitive dissonance, it belongs in another blog post. Don’t get me started. Suffice it to say that it is a difference without meaning because after ten years of the party being led by El Dunce, you cannot be Republican without being MAGA. To think otherwise is to miss the racist forest for the anti-democratic trees, but like I said, that’s a different post.
The Overly Optimistic Hot Take
Overly optimistic pundits and social mediaites seize upon the 29% of so-called “non-MAGA” Republicans who say that ICE has gone too far. Twenty-nine percent, that’s huge, they exclaim! That’s a third of the non-MAGA Republicans. Really? That still leaves 47% saying the response — murdering two real live Americans in cold blood on real live American streets in front of god and cell phone cameras and violating the Fourth Amendment protection against warrantless searches and seizures — is just about right. Add that to the 17% that think that more real live American liberals should be gunned down in Kent State style massacres and more doors should be kicked in and people drug off kicking and screaming in the night whether they are documented, undocumented, or actual American citizens than is being done now, and you get 64% of the respondents.
Sixty-Four Percent
While that may not be the ninety plus percent support that Ditch used to enjoy, it is still a majority who think we should violate the Bill of Rights and Constitution to ethnically cleanse America and turn us into a white nationalist police state.
When we add that to the percentages of MAGA-identifying Republicans who support I the ICEstapo tactics, then you get some real frightening numbers:
- TWELVE PERCENT say it is too far.
- SIXTY-FOUR PERCENT say it is just right.
- TWENTY-ONE PERCENT say there should be more Americans bleeding out in the streets and children thrown into concentration camps.
The pundits and social media jeniuses would have us believe their interpretation over our own lying eyes that eighty five percent support is a significant drop from the ninety-plus percent support our very own Der Farter usually enjoys from the deluded masses, it isn’t.
Republican Support For Fascism
Combining the two groups reveals the following troubling numbers:
- TWENTY PERCENT think that ICE enforcement has gone too far.
- FIFTY-FIVE PERCENT think it is pitch perfect.
- NINETEEN PERCENT think that more brutality can be done in pursuit of fascism.
Seventy four percent support the masked nameless thugs spreading wanton state-supported violence on our streets. That is nothing to celebrate or take comfort in.
Ethnic Cleansing Goals vs Methods
Saying that the self-deluded non-MAGA Trump supporters are less enthusiastic in their support for fascism than their MAGA counterparts are is like saying GROK’s undressing of children was okay because they still had their underwear on. Let’s look at the numbers to take what cold comfort might be found there if any. The question asked whether respondents supported the goals of mass deportations (the ethnic cleansing of America) and the implementation (violating the Bill of Rights and Constitution).
- SUPPORTING BOTH THE GOALS & IMPLEMENTATION:
- SIXTY-TWO PERCENT of MAGA was enthusiastically supporting the program
- THIRTY-SEVEN PERCENT of non-MAGA were supporters.
- That’s FIFTY PERCENT support for murdering Americans and violating our civil rights!
- SUPPORTING THE GOALS BUT NOT THE IMPLEMENTATION:
- MAGA support fell to a comforting 28%. They want America ethnically cleansed but maybe not with so much pain and suffering broadcast on the news and social media.
- NON-MAGA support ROSE to 43%!
- COMBINED that’s 36% support for the keeping the brutality necessary in white washing America off of the air waves.
The results of this survey are telling us that Republican America supports turning the country into a white nationalist paradise no matter what the cost to our economy or civil liberties. They don’t care that Americans are being murdered and imprisoned for it. They don’t care that the conditions at the concentration camps amount to torture. As long as it hurts People of Color and liberals first and most, it is worth whatever pain gets filtered down to them to be as racist as they want to be.
There is No Change in the Anti-Democratic White Nationalist Goals of the Republican Rank and Vile
These are the people who voted Trump in for a SECOND TIME many of whom are now decrying that they didn’t vote for this. No one gets to play the I had fear for my economic self, Biden too old, Kamala to female and Black, so the only choice left was Trump card. What it tells us is that the same dog whistling message of immigrants as dirty diseased depraved drug-addled job-stealing father rapists still plays well.
Don’t let the carpet bagging reformed Republican pundits like Rick “Max Cleland Fake War Hero” Wilson and Charlie “Rush Limbaugh Wanna Be” Sykes who created the conditions for the anti-democratic racist misogynist MAGA Republicans but didn’t like Trump well enough to tolerate his repugnance so they decided to cash in on the anti-Trump commentary in liberal media spheres and call themselves heros fool you. El Dunce and his white nationalist ethnic cleansing administration still enjoy widespread support among white America. The underlying foundation of fearing the Other, economic despondency, and mindless jingoism still exists and is easily exploited by the likes of them and Trump.
Image Attribution
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Project 2025 is still the plan. Stephen Miller is still the Trump Whisperer. And, the Republicans in The House voted a lot more money for DHS, which most of them in the Senate are voting for too. Kash Patel said the 2nd Amendment is only for some people, and still has his job.
Oh, the wonders of confirmation bias and wishful thinking among those whose job it is always have a dramatic opinion by air time.
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Howdy Bob!
And none of that support for DHS or ICE in Congress and the administration will cost them support by Republican voters. The saving grace is that the uninformed, seldom voter and everyone else will vote against them for their over reach. But, Republicans are full white nationalists, white supremacists, misogynists, and on board with publicly executing liberal activists and vilified Congress people. They will support the theft of the election and destruction of our democracy. It is as simple as that.
Who wins in 2026 will determine whether 2028 will be a meaningful election.
Huzzah!
Jack
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Meanwhile, somebody needs to tell him that Iran is not Venezuela. Some, actually, have probably tried to no avail.
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Howdy Bob!
I don’t know that there is much Iran can do to retaliate against us given teh chaos that their protests are causing. It is possible that some USS Cole-like attack could happen.
Trump is also a coward and don’t do anything unless he has some assurance that it will succeed. His last attack against Iran only occurred after Israel attacked and destroyed some of their immediate ability to resist and was a kind of proof of concept.
He is desperate for a win and big distraction from everything that has gone wrong for him the past few months.
Huzzah!
Jack
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As soon as he backed down on sending the military to Minnesota, he had to send it somewhere now that he didn’t get the Peace Prize. And, he probably knew that more Epstein files were about to come out.
RE: Epstein files, Trump denies all knowledge of Epstein sex crimes. Is that because he claims ignorance, or because he didn’t think they were crimes?
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Howdy Bob!
The Epstein Files are “out” now. Apparently, the latest traunch is the last one, according to the DoJ. It does paint Trump and lots of other people, especially the Andrew formerly called Prince, in quite a bad light. Apparently, Andrew drew the short straw and had to get under the bus. The distractions from it seem to have been sufficient to have blunted the outrage it might have drawn.
We’ll see if that continues to hold. We’ll also see if the outrage over ICE atrocities continues to be maintained and perhaps built upon. We Americans do so enjoy the righteous indignation of protesting noisily in the streets.
Huzzah!
Jack
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It is an amazing quantity of evidence considering that only two people have (so far) landed in the slammer because of it. But, part of that is explained by the sheer number of civil settlements (I haven’t heard an actual count.) that are documented, all, of course with DNR clauses. One thing we can count on is that as armies of reporters and others go wading through that pool manure and horror, tidbits will be in our feeds for a long time. I submit that any woman who would still vote for Trump must be well and truly cultified, or unsafe company for children.
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Howdy Bob!
While the sexual abuse of children is alarming and disgusting and requires exposure, investigation, prosecution, and punishment. I think the real issue for Trump et al. is the money laundry service that Epstein and later Trump were providing. The child sexual abuse by Epstein made him a convenient scapegoat.
The other troubling aspect of it all is the passive aggressive doxing of the victims and protection of the perpetrators. It is the flagrant contempt for the law — any and every law — that is the most troubling, but it is clear that they do not intended to comply with the letter much less the spirit of the law.
Still the absolute slop in the way these files were vetted and redacted is just amazing. These folks are worse than procrastinating university freshman. Luckily, the Internet is still forever, so any of the documents that hit the Internet are beyond retraction.
Huzzah!
Jack
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The phrase, “Weaponized Incompetence” seems a good description.
To truly understand the magnitude of the Epstein crimes, the only way is to Follow The Money, as always. Then there is, Follow The Information (Intel) (Compromat) (Blackmail). The girls were the honey pot.
Real power is being able to do whatever you want regardless of any law, custom, or norm.
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Howdy Bob!
Weaponized Incompetence is a good one. I may be stealing that in the not too distance future with full attribution, of course.
I don’t follow the Epstein files story too closely, but I keep hearing things about Russian involvement — another Trump-Russia connection — and even speculation that Epstein was a Russian spy. Ever since the Panama Files came out, I’ve been wondering about the interconnectedness of the super wealthy. They do seem to exist in a class unto themselves rising above national loyalties and laws.
Exposing the Epstein files could be a window into their inner workings and demonstrate the connections between the members of those of sufficient wealth.
Huzzah!
Jack
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The Panama Files were just a peek into that world of moving, laundering, hiding, and stealing money that is home to the ultra wealthy, a class that includes people we commoners don’t even know about because everything they do is illegal and secret. Where money secretly moves, information follows, attracting the interest of the world’s official and unofficial spies. That someone embedded in all that like Epstein would turn a personal hobby and addiction into a honey trap collecting compromat on important (mostly) men comes as no surprise.
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Howdy Bob!
You know what they say, nature abhors a vacuum and Epstein saw an under served niche in the sex trade industry and decided to fill it. If the problem with the Epstein files were just pedophilia, I don’t think there would be as much resistance to getting them out there. It has to be the money and other deals being made around the underage sex trade that they are most trying to cover up. Otherwise, it would just be Me, Too all over again. Some careers would end — as we’re seeing with the sacrificial lambs that have been sent to slaughter — some people would’ve had a rough couple of years before being rehabilitated, but life for most of them would’ve gone on much as it did before.
Huzzah!
Jack
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I think you’re right. There were private settlement deals being made all along, and probably some with other perps than Epstein and Trump. Epstein was getting paid for a lot more than supplying trafficked girls, some of which probably rises to the level of espionage and even giving aid and comfort. Anybody who is waiting for the other shoe to drop needs to understand that the guy upstairs is a millipede.
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Howdy Bob!
I was listening to some damn podcast the other day, and the hosts had been going through the files, talking about what they had found. One of the points they made was that they couldn’t figure out how Epstein made his money. He didn’t seem particularly smart and his writing skills are worse than mine. Few of the emails that they’ve released address services to clients other than finding young women and girls for his clients. He also wasn’t particularly personable or friendly with anyone. Everything in the files is completely transactional. So, there’s a lot not released. They’re sitting on the financial records. They were hoping that the nudes of underage girls would satisfy the blood lust of the pitchfork carrying burn the pedophile crowd and we’d get distracted by the travesty du jour in the next news cycle.
It will take an independent investigation by a special prosecutor and Congressional commission to really sort it all out.
Huzzah!
Jack
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When people go through a mountain of evidence like that and find a question that is not answered, that answer is the one most needed and most dangerous to important people whose names you don’t know because they are not mentioned. Epstein did not start out rich, but then, neither did Charlie Kirk.
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Howdy Bob!
I guess eventually, when the country comes to its senses and Democrats are in charge of something, we’ll have a special prosecutor. We need something to sort out the mess that Trump is leaving behind him.
Jack
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It might take more than one. Some state AGs and legislatures would want to get in on it too. Of course, a packed Supreme Court would be a big help (or, several current members being impeached).
We are allowed to dream.
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Without our dreams, would we be able to go on?
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Well, there are people in situations where it is difficult to imagine that they can still dream other than nightmares, but they do go on and even, sometimes survive without losing their souls. We are a stubborn species.
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We are stubborn. Thank goodness for that, my friend.
Jack
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Indeed
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I do not see how any American that claims to love our democracy can sit by and just shake their heads and ……more needs doing….take to the streets and do not let this movement die down. chuq
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Howdy Chuq!
The good news is that Americans are doing things. They are in the streets. The next No Kings is going to be lit. And, still more needs doing. But, I think we’re rising up like we did in 2018, 2020, and 2022 but not in 2024.
Huzzah!
Jack
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Jack it is good to see but each one of those fizzled….there are some remnants of protests but out of sight out of mind thing….I hope the fire stays lit. chuq
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Howdy Chuq!
As far as I recall, protests predicted 2018 and 2022. In 2020, the Blue Tsunami was more of a Blue Puddle, but we got Biden and Congress. We stimmed the tide and got some repair and healing from Trump 1.0. In 2024, we had the protest energy, but it wouldn’t overcome the Biden So Old self-inflicted narrative and the toxic masculinity strategy of the Trump campaign… or as I believe, the Trump cheating.
We’re watching them in real time gearing up to steal the 2026 election. Our protest energy will carry us a far way. Will it be enough to overcome the cheating that they are putting in place between now and the election? Hope so. It is our only hope.
Huzzah!
Jack
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THey are indeed gearing up….but as long as there is a limited choice I do not see much changing. chuq
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Howdy Chuq!
We both know that our system is uniquely designed to provide only two choices. It is the oligarchs way of keeping control of our democracy and not letting to go too strongly against them. They’ve overreached this time. Just like they did in the 1880’s and 1890’s leading to the Great Depression and two world wars and FDR’s New Deal, which they’ve been fighting to get rid of ever since.
I still take comfort in preferring Roe v. Wade America to Dobbs, the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act to Jim Crow, and the other Democratic championed reforms that have been put in place since the New Deal. Our center right system is not perfect, but it provided until it got hijacked by the nihlistic kleptocrats and their rank and vile supporters.
Huzzah!
Jack
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Morning Jack….it will take time to get out from under this mess that Donny has created….and I worry. chuq
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Howdy Chuq!
During Trump 1.0, I thought it would take us a generation to recover from the damage. Now that we’ve made it to year one round two, we won’t recover. We have to start anew and build something different, but we’ll never regain what we had. In a century, we may have something more than we have or something better, but it will take a constant effort and some luck.
Huzzah!
Jack
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I fear you are right…..there is little chance of a recovery before I crap out. chuq
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Howdy Chuq!
It certainly makes for a depressing situation. Until 2016 things were looking pretty good for continued stability and prosperity. Now, all bets are off. The only sure thing is that suffering will continue to increase.
My mortality has been much on my mind lately. I guess it is a product of age. It cannot be helped. The world that we are leaving to my daughter troubles me. I don’t know how well she’ll do navigating it after I pass. That is the most depressing thought of all.
Huzzah!
Jack
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I know what you mean Jack….I worry about my daughter and granddaughter….I just hope I can leave them something to help out. My fear for this country was 1980 and the rise of Reagan and the goons….it has been down hill ever since. chuq
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