Cognitive Psychology

The OCEAN of Trump’s & Clinton’s Personalities

We all know what personality is and that we all have one, but what is it? Well, um, you know, personality is the thing that makes you you and me me, right? Yeah, but that doesn’t tell us much. Since we’re mostly concerned with academic precision around here, we should try and make the definition a little more precise, right? Let’s try adding some synonyms to the definition: traits or characteristics. And, then we’ll add in a time reference – over your entire life. Lastly, we’ll tweak it with some obfuscating academic words because that’s what gets academics the big bucks!

Personality is the collection of traits that are unique to each individual and are stable over a lifetime.

Cosmo1958Okay, now we’re getting somewhere. We’ve all taken those Cosmo quizzes about what your dating choices say about your personality (cough, cough slut cough), the Enneagram (cough, cough useless cough), and the ubiquitous Myers-Briggs personality type test (cough, cough, BS cough). There certainly is a lot of quackery and humbuggery out there and if you’re not careful you’ll start believing that the tides and positions of the stars at the time of your birth will determine your personality or that the personality types that I’ve pulled out of my ass have some merit — they probably do, but probably are not all that useful.

Human Gullibility

In general, people are gullible, meaning they’ll believe anything! Ha ha! As a demonstration Bertram Forer published a report on a study of personality in 1949. He gave participants a 16 question personality test, gave them their results, and then asked them to rate its accuracy. It consistently receives a rating of 84% accurate. Here, judge for yourself. Take the Forer Personality Test. If you’re not the link following kind, read my cold read of your personality!

You have a need for other people to like and admire you, and yet you tend to be critical of yourself. While you have some personality weaknesses you are generally able to compensate for them. You have considerable unused capacity that you have not turned to your advantage. Disciplined and self-controlled on the outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure on the inside. At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing. You prefer a certain amount of change and variety and become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations. You also pride yourself as an independent thinker; and do not accept others’ statements without satisfactory proof. But you have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing yourself to others. At times you are extroverted, affable, and sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary, and reserved. Some of your aspirations tend to be rather unrealistic.

The Forer Effect, Robert Carroll, 2015

Pretty good, hunh! I bet 85% of you — okay, my mom did, but that’s because she doesn’t want to disappoint her little boy! — thought I nailed it! Of course, Forer gave everyone the exact same interpretation.

So what’s the deal? Why am I dissing all of these venerable and loved personality descriptions? Largely because they don’t bring anything to the table other than entertainment. Although the Myers-Briggs gets used by HR departments to match people to jobs, it is an illusory correlation. It doesn’t actually predict success or satisfaction. Once you’ve got your “personality type” what does that tell you? Other than entertainment value, these types of fraudulent pseudo-science woo-woo feel-good do your dreams approaches can actually be harmful as Emily St. Amant so ably explains on her blog, The Skeptical Therapist. If those things aren’t worthwhile – and while fun, the Myers-Briggs test has very little validity or reliability – what is?

The Big Five Personality Traits

Turns out that the answer is the Big Five Personality Traits. Apparently most personality theories and lists of traits and methods of evaluation are as idiosyncratic as their inventors. It took lots of fist-a-cuffs (pretty boring since these were all wet-noodle academic types, although my money has always been on Gordon Allport, he could go the distance)  have been shown to be universal, i.e. represented in every culture, i.e. languages have words for these concepts and these descriptions show up in every culture. Let’s list them, shall we?

  • O is for openness as in open to new ideas, experiences, and concepts.
  • C is for conscientiousness as in aware of the needs of others and willing to accommodate them or as I like to call it, polite.
  • E is for extrovert as in enjoying the company and presences of many others.
  • A is for agreeableness as in having “good” relations with others is very important to you.
  • N is for neuroticism as in volatile emotions and easily upset.

What’s that spell? OCEAN, and as my only regular and frequent reader, my mother, can tell you, right mom? A mnemonic will help you remember something, so don’t pay attention to all those writers and websites that refer to them in some other order or some other terms, use OCEAN to help you remember.

Take the Big Five Personality Test here!

If you’re like me – I know mom! I know! No one is like me! That’s why this damn blog is so “popular” and why I can’t quite seem to quit it! Jeez, rub it in every chance you get, why don’t you? – you’ve started thinking about Donald Trump’s and Hillary Clinton’s personalities in terms of OCEAN.

As I have already discussed, Hillary Clinton seems to be a high functioning autistic and Donald Trump a narcissistic personality disorder. Seriously, I’m pretty convinced, but of course can’t make a definitive diagnosis without first having spent hours and hours with each and of course in possession of the proper license to practice neither of which is going to happen, so let’s stick with the rampant irresponsible speculation. While I would love to spend the time necessary to make a proper diagnosis of Clinton, can you imagine spending that kind of time with Trump? No thank you. The man is toxic.

Each trait exists on a continuum with few of us at either extreme but clustered towards the middle and most of us have a distinct leaning to one side or the other.

  • Openness to new experience is paired with closed to new experience.
  • Conscientiousness is paired with a lack of awareness.
  • Extroversion, introversion – easy right? Except for the spelling since you can use extraversion and intraversion, too.
  • Agreeableness is paired with conflictatory or contrarian.
  • Neuroticism is paired with even tempered.

You can see why it’s called OCEAN, right?

Clinton’s Personality

Clinton rates about like this, in my opinion:

  • High on openness. Doesn’t this seem to go with most liberal-types? It is in the definition of liberal and conservative, but it is also in the practice. Liberals are very accepting of Islam and resist the urge to condemn the all Muslims because of the acts of a few. Liberals are willing to experiment with different safety nets, but believe dogmatically that safety nets are needed. After all, it was the Dems who brought you Obamacare over single payer.
  • High on conscientiousness. Given her long history of service to the underprivileged, I think this is a given. You can’t be as dedicated as she has been – read that braving the mud and shit that the baboons on the right have flung at her – without having a genuine concern for others.
  • Low on extroversion. She seems like an introvert to me. Addressing large groups seems to exhaust her. She shines when addressing small groups and stumbles and struggles in front of crowds. That seems to me classic introversion.
  • Moderate to low on agreeableness. She seems like she has an informed opinion and will assert that opinion in the face of opposition. Look at her stance on capital punishment. She is for it in certain cases. She has moderated her stance, but has not given it up completely.
  • Low on neuroticism. She seems pretty even-tempered. She sat before the BS Benghazi witch-hunt committee for eleven hours enduring the baboons flinging their shit and their masturbatory displays and kept her cool. She is often criticized for seeming distance and unconnected.

Trump’s Personality

Trump on the other hand would rate about like this:

  • Low on openness. He seems quite close minded over the long term. He has at least tolerated racist behaviors if not promoted them. Racism is the quintessential display of being closed to anything new or different – you can’t even tolerate the presence of someone whose only difference from you is something as trivial as their skin color.
  • Low on conscientiousness. He doesn’t seem to be aware of the needs of others. It goes along with that narcissistic thing. Christ, he’s driven small businesses and individuals to bankruptcy and held models as indentured servants!
  • High on extroversion. He thrives on the energy of the crowds. Again, it’s the narcissistic need for adoration.
  • Low on agreeableness. He don’t give a fuck! In fact, he seems to thrive on being controversially contrarian. He loves to say things that he knows will get the peanut gallery going.
  • High on neuroticism. Have you read his twitter feed? The man cannot tolerate any kind of bump in the road. The quintessential thin-skinned easily provoked curmudgeon. Except he gives curmudgeons a bad name.

Applications & Predictions

Given this irresponsible cursory analysis of their personalities, we can make some irresponsible predictions. After all, if we cannot predict from this stuff, what good is it?

TheWallTrump is going to have a very hard time making friends and playing with others, i.e. Congress, no matter which party takes the legislative branches. He’ll have a difficult time with diplomacy – it don’t take a genius to see that he’s really offended Peña Nieto by claiming they didn’t discuss paying for the wall. I can’t imagine them not discussing it since it seemed to be Peña Nieto’s primary reason for asking to meet him. Nothing else would score him points with his electorate. He’s neurotic enough to verge on the paranoid and accept conspiracy theories. As fun as conspiracy theories are, you cannot base governance on them.

Clinton on the other hand will have some difficulty with Congress if it is Democratic, and struggle with a Republican Congress much like Obama did. Both Obama and Clinton are open to new ideas and conscientious. They both try to govern from the middle believing in compromise with the opposition, but the opposition is closed to new experiences, lacks awareness, and is contrarian. Given Obama’s experience of trying to work with a Republican Congress, I doubt she’ll put much effort on her desire or ability to compromise — who could  blame her? She’ll be a detailed-oriented policy wonk hopefully not falling into the trap of Jimmy Carter who nearly drown in the details.

Feel free to offer up your own wild speculations responsible, irresponsible, and otherwise in the comments!


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  1. Oh man, way to burst my bubble that the Forer is the same for everyone! darn! It was so spot on you know! (can you SEE me rolling my eyes?) As a previously licensed mental health professional, I absolutely can not deny your feelings that hils is a high functioning autistic. Of course, since my license lapsed (I did retire you know) I can not verify it one way or the other. I do love that you came up with the same sort of interpretation of her personality that I did (once upon a time). The Donald will be incapable of dealing with anyone in any government office unless they are foreign born women generally 1/2 his children’s ages and with a large bust. I can predict an impeachment (which he will obviously ignore) and the collapse of the world as we know it within the first hundred days. With will be much as Mr Obama has discovered..those congressional pundits are a bunch of yahoos that will be annoyed when she shares their sandboxes.

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    • I’m glad that you concur with my thoughts on Clinton. If true, it would help her be a better president, I think. And, I agree that if Trump didn’t resign immediately after the inauguration — the only part of the job he likes — he would be impeached. Hell, he could be impeached for bribing Pam Bondi, AG of Florida. But, I’m afraid that we agree once again, the yahoos in Congress will not be cooperating with Clinton any more than they were with Obama. We’ve got to take the Congress back.


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