Do you prefer pre-Dobbs or post-Dobbs America?
This was my standard social media response to anyone who had the temerity to suggest that Republicans and Democrats were teh same. Corporate Dems shilling for corporate America, yadda yadda yadda. I get it, but I still prefer Bill Clinton’s and Barak Obama’s America to Reagan’s and W’s, don’t you? And, I certainly am pissed off that we are currently living through the Trump dystopian hellscape.
I figured anyone and everyone would agree with me on this score. The one simple question would inform our electoral decision decisively.
Turns out I was wrong.
For many Black voters, it didn’t matter who was in the White House or who controlled Congress, their neighborhoods and lives remained unchanged.
Unchanged.
Hunh.
Talk about white privilege.
According to the pollster, Terrance Woodbury, most of his Black focus group participants report that they see no difference in their lives based on the person in the White House. Turns out that the worsening of racial wealth disparity brought about by the tax cuts during Trump 1.0 was just more of the same for Black folks.
The financial penalty for being Black that Trump’s signature legislation brought about was indistinguishable from the day-to-day hardship of being Black in America that they were already experiencing.
Then, Biden’s Build Back Better program of sweeping investment in American infrastructure that was so confusing in its portions that no one can keep which bill did what straight and half of the Republicans in the country have taken credit for the deliverables… Anywho, it turns out that all the benefits to the Black community were largely cosmetic, so Biden and Harris didn’t really get any credit for that, either.
It isn’t lost on Black voters that they rescued Biden’s 2020 nomination in South Carolina and put him in the White House, not that I pretend to speak for or understand Black folks in America. I’m just reporting what I heard on Clock It with Symone and Eugene. I guess they don’t speak for Black America, either, but they’re likely closer than I am, and Woodbury conducts polling and focus groups of the Black communities in America, so there’s that.
In an election where messaging is the key to turn out, getting it right is important.
On the very white podcast Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast, he recently interviewed a guest — I heard this only on the promotions for the podcast — who was advocating for the election message of saving democracy. While this message is effective with white people — and let’s face it, as long as white people feel like it is theoretically possible for them to vote sometime or other if they ever feel like, they’ll think we live in a democracy. After all, we say we’ve lived in a democracy from the beginning when it included slavery and excluded non-whites and women from the franchise for much much longer than we ever included them.
For the white progressives, we’ll get het up over the prospect of saving democracy and posts sick memes to our social media and dog pile MAGA trolls and whine over our lattes about it all, but for Black folks — or so I’ve been told — the real messaging is saving our rights, specifically our right to vote.
Luckily, for white Democrats, the Republicans done took care of that messaging for them. Republicans made sure Democrats couldn’t screw it up. Right after the Calais decision by gerrymandering minority-majority districts down to the barest minimum before the ink had dried on the press release. This includes eliminating every Black majority district in Tennessee.
Republicans have awoken the sleeping giant and activated the secret weapon that Democrats had left to rust in the corner. But, it isn’t enough.
As Woodbury points out on the podcast, Democrats had been leaking Black support by a rate of several percentage points for every election for a decade or more. Older Black voters are solidly Democratic because they are closer to the fight for the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act. But, younger Black voters have been living with the paltry benefits of those acts and being painfully aware of being ignored by the national parties.
The complaint that Democrats only come around to Black communities every four years pandering for votes is accurate. Like I said, I do not purport to speak for the Black community, but it seems like simple logic that to solicit the support of a community, you need to provide some kind of benefit to that community. It may be one reason that the progressive message is resonating throughout the primaries. Medicare for All has clear benefits for Black folks across the country. The Child Tax Credit has immediate impact on families of all communities.
It is more than those individual programs. If we are to elevate our Communities of Color to being truly equal with their white counterparts, we must forge a new path that builds upon the Civil Rights legislation of the 1960’s and the Constitutional amendments of the nineteenth century. Part of the fight really is about fulfilling the promise of the Declaration of Independence that all people are created equally. Democrats need to make it a central plank of their platform and legislate accordingly if we are to keep our big tent coalition.
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Preferring Clinton over Reagan is kinda like preferring firing squad over hanging….nothing will change….the results are the same….Even if Dems win the House in 2026 I do not see any changes coming….they will try impeachment (again)….try to end Iran conflict and avoid any deep interest issues like Gaza, economy for we are told the econ0omy is going good….that will depend on you bank account….sadly people of color will see no difference in their loves no matter who wins what election. chuq
Howdy Chuq!
Like I said in the opening of the post, do you prefer pre- or post-Dobbs America? The surplus that Clinton delivered and the careful spending of Obama and Biden or the soaring deficits of Reagan, Poppy, W, and Trump? America with the ACA or without? To me, the choice is clear.
After the various crises and disasters that have occurred in our history, we have always turned to progressive policies. Reconstruction after the Civil War. The Progressive Era after the Gilded Age. The New Deal after the Great Depression. Civil Rights and Great Society after Jim Crow. The ACA after the Great Recession. And, Build Back Better after the #COVID19 pandemic.
There is a reason DSA and progressive candidates are winning. The frustrations and chaos of Trump’s second term is pushing people to make changes in the system. We’ll see if Trump can steal the election.
Huzzah!
Jack
Jack all I read is that there may well be some sort of ‘theft’ during the election….but that is mostly opinion and we will just have to wait and see….I am not one who likes to wait……chuq
I’m sure that there is a theft of the 26 election in the works. Trump has never won any thing fair and square, including his elections, so I don’t see why he would let anything like losing an election threaten his grift now. They are going to put everything they got into it. We should all be really worried.
Huzzah!
Jack
Just as I see it Jack….there will be the usual Donny trickery. chuq
He staged an insurrection when he lost the 2020 election. He’s grifted billions in two years. Who thinks he’s going to give up easily? I just hope we’re all ready for the fight that’s coming.
Jack
I agree will the American people be ready or even willing to fight for this country? chuq
Howdy Chuq!
I don’t know if we are ready. First of all, we’ve been a country of white privilege for the vast majority of our years as a country than we have been a nation of laws. We have a significant minority who really do not want a democracy at all, and another minority that just doesn’t seem to care one way or another.
Huzzah!
Jack
That is a fair observation….can that blemish be repaired? chuq
Has it ever been? The only time we came close to a real multiracial democracy was in 1965, but the Republicans and conservative Southern Democrats worked hard to suppress the Black vote. Nixon introduced the Southern Strategy, Reagan honed it to a razor’s edge, and Trump has turned it into a bludgeon.
Jack
That is so true…I was in high school in 65 and segregation was the rule…..66 the first black students got into my high school…but none of the bigotry ever went away…..chuq
Howdy Chuq!
Part of my fifth grade year was spent in Columbus in 1968. It was the year that my parent’s marriage really ended. Very traumatic, but for the best. However, I remember getting on the bus with my step brother and him talking in the worst terms about the Black kids on the bus and school integration. That was not a good year, and busing and the social tensions around it didn’t help.
Huzzah!
Jack
That pretty much describes the whole experience in those days in this state. chuq
Can the Democratic Party ignore the “advice” of their money sources and political analysts long enough to try believing that they can promise REAL equality for POC without losing their white, educated, suburban voters?
I saw a study that found that the difference in life expectancy between Black and White residents in counties is proportional to the percentage of a county’s population in 1860 were slaves.
Howdy Bob!
That map of the proportions of enslaved populations by county was commissioned by Lincoln during the Civil War. He thought it would indicate how hard the people from each county would fight in the war. It has borne a lot of fruit since then correlating with all of the negative outcomes for Black folk.
I think it is our own — as in progressives — inner racists that keep us from supporting to Black communities in meaningful ways. Like it or not, we’re just not that into it.
We really seem to have reached a breaking point. People are angrier now than I can remember them. Maybe my memory of the anti-war, civil rights, and feminist movements of the 60’s and 70’s is a little rose tinted, but folks are real angry now. The wealth gap is as wide as it has ever been in human history. It does not portend well for us as a country in general. And, people are just about as angry at Democrats as they are at Republicans and Trump. Democrats could capitalize on this moment like FDR did in the Great Depression, LBJ did in Civil Rights, and BHO did in the Great Recession, but we don’t seem to have it in us.
Huzzah!
Jack
In many ways, I think the anger is at “the system” as different groups see it and pick different particulars as targets. Or, often it is the target of the day/week/month. The data centers and FLOCK cameras are good examples. The camera itself isn’t the problem, isn’t what makes that system so effective and so easy to abuse. That is the AI that can quickly scan immense numbers of photos to track a particular vehicle. That AI “lives” in data centers. Removing the cameras does not remove all the pictures they have already taken, or the ability to search through them.
Then, there is all the fear and anger being stirred up about things that are not the problem, such as the Culture War issues and the lies about immigrants. Distraction is easily done and it works.
I’ve been wondering what real equality for POC would look like. Would it include centuries of back wages for the descendants of slaves? Or, 500 years of back rent for Native Americans? The actual immensity of what we white folks, even the poorest of us really owe those we have abused and extracted labor, land, and resources from is probably incalculable. The path to real equality and liberty may lead to a far more livable and productive society, but the beginning of it looks like a zero sum game to those with privilege and advantage.
Howdy Bob!
That’s my biggest take away. People are deeply angry and disappointed. Many MAGA stalwarts are just dropping out and planning on not voting. Many Democrats are motivated and turning out. Many people of color are now energized and determined to vote. Will that translate into real change? It has in the past. Will Trump be able to voter suppress and vote nullify his way to a victory? It has never worked before.
It’s clear that we can’t turn the clock back to reconstruct America before Trump. We’ll have to create something new. We’ll have to forge a new path. Hopefully, that will mean something that creates a more perfect union of greater equality.
Huzzah!
Jack
SCOTUS is expected to announce their decision on the USPS v voting by mail this week, probably on Wednesday. As hard as it may be to imagine that they will let the plan for which nobody is ready to go forward, they still might let chaos reign and make this an election the outcome of which nobody can trust or understand. Why do that? To prove that elections don’t work.
I suspect that the Republicans’ “convention” will have little effect on the motivation deficit of that party.
We generally can’t see a real paradigm shift, or even know what the new system will look like until it has already happened. It is like a major insight in therapy. You can’t see what’s on the other side until you get there. Hopefully, we will go in a good direction.
Howdy Bob!
To me it is clear that the Republican Party and conservative movement no longer want to have a democracy. That includes Roberts and the other five conservative justices. The quickest way there is to corrupt the 26 election by allowing Trump’s XO to continue. It will be up to the states then to run a “smooth” election in spite of the chaos and confusion. I would hope that Dem run states would and Repub states would allow the chaos to reign. Trump and the state Repub Parties have other shenanigans up their sleeves, too. They’ll be pulling out all of the stops.
All of that said, I fully expect SCOTUS to deny the XO. I still can’t believe there is anyone who doesn’t want to live in a democracy, even though I know they do.
Even though we won’t know the paradigm change until after it has occurred, FDR, LBJ, Clinton, BHO, and Biden all ran on promises of enacting legislation similar to what they did. The Progressive Era was ushered in because of the excesses of the Gilded Age with promises to rein it in with specific reforms.
Right now, we do not have anyone articulating anything more than SCOTUS reform, Medicare for All, and increasing the minimum wage. And, I guess ICE reform. Still, we have ideas, notions, and suggestions. We do not have FDR’s New Deal articulated as he had when he ran during the Great Depression. Or even Biden’s BBB legislative outline that he ran on in 2020.
It’s like the Dems are afraid of committing for fear of alienating an important voting block. Unlike Obama in 2008 and Biden in 2020, who both knew exactly what was needed to rescue the country, the Dems don’t seem to have a clue what they stand for.
To me it seems easy, you run on a reform platform of reforming the court and legislating norms and ethics.
Huzzah!
Jack
It has been said that SCOTUS doesn’t lead change, but follows it. Currently, it is hampered in that by the stark differences between the “conservative” majority and the liberals, and the excessive use of the shadow docket to deal with Trump’s appeals of the lower courts decisions against him. As for the mail ballots XO, It appears that they have been buried in amicus briefs against it and few if any for it.
The establishment Dems are clearly terrified by the clear platforms of the progressives and socialists. One of the hard things is that the solution for the country is not just an economic plan. Trump must be removed or at least straight jacketed by a super majority in at least one house and a solid and united majority in the other. His wars (military and his trade war with the entire world), tariffs, and state terror tactics have to be stopped by a Congress that will exercise all of it’s Constitutional authorities and prerogatives. They also need to find a way to run on reigning in the Tech Bros.
Howdy Bob!
The Court doesn’t have to take things up on the shadow docket. It can refuse. And, when it does, it can use its decisions to maintain the status quo, meaning stay the proceedings as they were until the issue works its way through the courts. They’ve not done any of those things.
They appear to be using the shadow docket as a way of letting Trump dismantle the federal government and intrude on the right of states to make certain decisions. Will they continue that trend with the mail-in ballots order? Hope not, but who knows.
We saw Clinton get elected by being Republican-lite. I hope the lesson the establishment Dems took from that isn’t that they can win by being fascist-lite, but I’m afraid that’s what they did.
Huzzah!
Jack
The current argument in the Democratic Party pretty clearly shows that some did take that lesson and others didn’t.
It is interesting that the Court has not yet [5:42 PM, 9/10/26] announced a decision on the mail ballots issue. I wonder who there is having trouble making up their mind.
Or if they’re trying to persuade one or two justices… I’m just saying.
Of course, the closer we get to the election, the harder it will be to implement anything new. The Purcell Principle. I know that the Trump admin is saying that since the rules weren’t stayed until recently, stopping them violates the Purcell Principle, but I don’t think that is going to fly.
Huzzah!
Jack