
SUMMARY: Both rightwing and mainstream media sources insist that bothsides engage in antidemocratic violence equally. A careful consideration of the evidence reveals that it is the Republican Party rank and vile that poses the biggest threat of violence to our democracy and their apologists that are normalizing it. The minuscule number of leftists supporting political violence do not support the Democratic party, but hate the Republicans. However, it is clear that the main instigators of violence are overproduced elites, the overeducated sons and daughters of the wealthy who do cannot find work to support themselves in the manner to which they have grown accustomed.
KEY WORDS: Political violence, Polarization, Overproduced Elites, Mainstream Media, Divisive Rhetoric, 6 January Insurrectionists, Maverick Activists
COMMENT QUESTION: What you think of the asymmetry of political violence and support for antidemocratic means to achieve the social goals of the left and right?
Ye Olde Blogge has been exploring the issue of political polarization and violence lately as we approach the 2024 elections. We’ve been unpacking a recent article on the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace website by Rachel Kleinfeld. Check out our earlier posts:
- The Great Civics Lesson: The Reason Polls Show Agreement on Social Issues but Office Holders Don’t
- Affective Polarization is Driving Trump Support
The report contained support for two arguments frequently made by Ye Olde Blogge, as well as a new argument that resonated with us.
Unveiling the Inner Racist of White People
In the past, we’ve argued that MAGA and Republican support is driven by the racial animus of white America. There is no other way to explain the support for Trump and Republicans in 2016 and the increases in the white vote that they saw in 2020. Let’s summarize Kleinfeld’s reporting on a 2018 Democracy Fund survey on political views of Americans.
- LEAST SUPPORT FOR DEMOCRACY: moderates defined as those with views representing both sides of the political aisle
- MOST SUPPORT OF A STRONG LEADER: moderates who believe that such a leader can ignore Congress and elections
- ANSWERING THE CALL OF THEIR INNER RACIST: 28.9% of the electorate who support the liberal idea of redistributing the wealth while believing that American citizens should be White [sic, and sick, knowhatimean?], Christian, and born in the US.
- REPUBLICAN PARTY BOUND: People with these views have been answering the siren call of I2I4 since 2016 in increasing numbers.
Forgive us for shouting a resounding, I KNEW it!
Also, let’s consider that MAGA is between 30 and 35% of the electorate.
The Emerging Antidemocratic Authoritarian Pro-Violence Factions in US Politics
The Authoritarian Violent Racist Right
There is a growing antidemocratic faction on the rightwing of the American political spectrum. These people sound like they are members of the overproduced elites who play a significant role in destabilizing their countries because boredom. Overproduced elites are the children of the monied class who go into professions but can’t find jobs because there are just too many of them. They end up underemployed or living in their parents’ basements and are looking for something to put their prodigious talents towards that isn’t too proletarian, like 6 January-style insurrection.
It’s gotta be somebody’s fault that they can’t get employment at the level of luxury they’ve become accustomed, so scratch your ass to find the answer, it’s the darkening of the American demographic, obvs!
Over Produced Elites Fueled the 6 January Insurrection
You may recall our earlier reporting on the demographics of the January 6 insurrectionists (emphasis added):
- The states the people charged in the insurrection have been in proportion to the state’s populace except for Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri and Montana. They sent more than their fair share. Kentucky, sure, but Maryland? Really?
- Fifty-two percent of the insurrectionists were from counties that Biden won. What? Before you go scratching your ass, there’s something else these counties have in common: they have all seen declines in the white, non-Hispanic populations. Hunh? Go figure.
- The demographics of arrested insurrectionists: average age, 40; 40% are business owners or hold white-collar jobs; and only 9% were unemployed. Contrast that profile with the demographic of earlier far-right extremists: 61% under 35; 25% unemployed; and very few white-collar employees. In other words, it ain’t and never has been about economics.
- The median household income of the average Trump voter is $72,000.00 per year, which is well above the average.
- White privilege and racial angst are central organizing principles of those on the right, according to research findings.
Overproduced Elites Stock the Ranks of the Pro-violence Authoritarian Right
If that was the insurrectionists, who are these authoritarian and violence supporting rightwingers?
- Distrust ALL American institutions and elites
- A LOW sense of agency
- STRONG feelings of grievance and victimhood
- Feel threats to traditional gender roles and white supremacy JUSTIFY the use of political violence and authoritarianism.
- LESS partisan and affectively polarized than feeling their white male privilege threatened
This is not an insubstantial number of people. This is MAGA Republicans we’re talking about. There are, literally, millions of them.
They Sound Like Hochschild’s Conservative, Rural, Christian, White Voter
Hunh, that also sounds like Arlie Hochschild’s description of the conservative, rural, Christian, white voter she studied in Cancer Alley sacrificing themselves for corporate greed and telling themselves it was all worthwhile if it weren’t for those meddling kids slipping all the lazy undeserving Blacks, Browns, Muslims, and Others into the queue of the American dream ahead of them. Surely they would’ve had all their American dreams come true by now if it hadn’t been for all those lousy commie pinko fags, amirite?
The Minuscule Pro-Violence Factions on the Left
Contrast the willingness of rightwingers to resort to violence in order to uphold authoritarianism and preserve their favored social structure with the observations regarding individuals on the left.
- PARTISAN Democrats are moderates not progressives.
- Polarized lefties are HIGHLY and POSITIVELY politically active, engaged, and aware.
- ACTIVIST MAVERICKS are the problem on the left:
- Younger, wealthier, and male, i.e. overproduced elites who stir up shit because boredom and privilege
- Far-left ideology
- DISLIKE the Democratic Party — they were the annoying sadistic Bernie Bros of 2016 — but HATE Republicans, so affectively polarized
- Willing to support political violence to achieve democratic goals of greater racial and democratic representation, and they aren’t even doing it ironically, so go figure.
- 60% support property crime and 28% interpersonal violence!
- Fuck these guys, amirite? Luckily, they are a teeny-tiny minority of the left and the American electorate.
Addressing Bothsidesism in Political Violence
These are the currents running through the American electorate in 2024:
- THE ANTIDEMOCRATIC RIGHT makes up a plurality of the Republican party, approximating I2I4’s floor and ceiling, 30% of them.
- THE VIOLENT LEFT is an obscure negligible minority of Democrats and the left who waste their votes on third parties or self-righteously not voting non-ironically helping Trump to win in 2016 so they could continue bitching about the ineffectiveness of Democrats (that last bit was me and not Kleinfeld, but you know it’s true).
- BOTH GROUPS have apologists who justify their behavior. For Republicans, this has allowed a minority to take over the party and let the rest of us conclude that they are all reaping the rewards of fascism. While on the left, the Bernie Bro dregs have no influence in or out of government except in their own heads big and small.
The problem is that the existence of the minority of violent lefties allows the MSM thirsting for a horse race to bothsides Republican habitual violation of democratic norms, values, and behaviors. Kleinfeld concludes that it is this bothsidesism that is tearing the country apart while ignoring the asymmetry of the threat.

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You might find this of interest, Darvo: American’s very specific form of manipulation. Originally headlined Trump I find it applicable across a broad swath of society
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Howdy Ten Bears!
Yeah that was interesting. Thanks for the tip. I gave up on regularly reading “The Guardian” because guilt. Their requests for money were just too personal, “You’ve read x articles so far this year.”
Anywho, the whole reverse thing is a narcissistic abuse technique. The funny thing about narcissism is that so many people use those techniques. It makes you think that they are just organic reactions that all of our brains have to situation as opposed to something consciously conceived of and used.
Trump has definitely demonstrated the technique and the right has just aped him, though. It’s troubling just because of all the bad blood it creates between people. It’s part of the division the right is sowing in the country.
Huzzah!
Jack
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Yeah, there are a number of ‘sources’ I no longer source for their pleas for money. I’ve never asked. Most of ’em if I don’t ignore I mutter something under my breath about being happy someone is looking at it. If they get too obnoxious I just don’t go there
As I say, I see this across a broad swath of society. Whither or no Trump and the Tea Baggers gave license to being an asshole or it merely exposed the belly of the beast … I don’t know. I sometimes think we’re living out 1950’s science fiction …
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Howdy Ten Bears!
I have hella respect for “The Guardian.” They do good reporting. I tend to give my money to the really small people who have Patreons to support themselves.
Trump, MAGA, and Republicans since Reagan have been promoting a coarser social discourse. The evidence is clear that they are doing it purposefully. The whole thing is so asymmetrical, I can’t believe the MSM doesn’t cover it better.
Huzzah!
Jack
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The Guardian is definitely at the top of my list, their pleas are easily ignored. Heard on OPB (NPR) the other day the most trusted news-source in “America” right now is … the BBC. I believe it: I listen to the newshour couple/three times a week, and often am up early enough to look in on the BBC: Hong Kong late night news
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Howdy Ten Bears!
Very poor timing on your messages. I was away on a weeklong school trip far far from where the WIFI roams free.
The BBC has always been a top notch news organization. They’ve had their scandals, but still they do good coverage and reporting. I rely on several subscriptions to news compiling services to help ensure that I get a variety of sources and takes on the events of the day. It makes email hygiene a chore, but I feel like I stay somewhat well informed.
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Jack
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Calico, having read your post, I have to ask, is America really a Democracy?
Do American’s really have a choice as to who runs their country?
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Howdy Jon!
Someone somewhere did a study that reported that the US government responds more to big money donors and corporate interests than it does to the average person’s needs. In that sense, no it is not a democracy. However, in the sense that in 2020, Biden was elected president in an election by all metrics was the freest and fairest in this history of the country, then, yes the US is a democracy.
I’ll ask you again. Do you prefer a pre-Dobbs America where Roe v Wade was still the law of the land or a post-Dobbs America? It is as simple as that. There is a difference between electing Democrats and Republicans. It occurs at all levels of government.
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Jack
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One of the truisms that supports the both-sides-ism about violence is that violence calls out a violent response. In this case, the difference is scale. The actual numbers of the AntiFa guys who just want to go out and have a good old fashioned street rumble with MAGAs is small. But, on the other side, there’s this item:
Far-Right Extremists Are Organizing an Armed Convoy to the Texas Border | WIRED
It isn’t entirely clear whether they are going to catch invaders, or to join the fight between the Feds and Gov. Abbot’s troops about who controls the border.
Speaking of the border, thee have to be a bunch of Republicans on Capitol Hill who are not happy that the big orange bull in the china shop just blew their cover on their constant obstruction by saying openly that keeping things bad on the border by rejecting any attempt to fix any of it so that Biden can be blamed for it. No longer can they credibly claim it’s about “conservative values” or “real solutions”. By extension, that also applies to their threats to create a government shutdown, blocking aid to allies, and so much else. And, with it comes his clear announcement of intent and demand to purge the GOP of all but MAGA.
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Howdy Bob!
An idea that didn’t fit into the post on political violence is proportionality bias. If there is a big dramatic event, like an act of political violence, then there MUST be an equally big cause. Now, that I’ve “said” it, it does fit. It helps explain bothsidesism. The press looks at the violence the right is committing and assumes that there is a big cause. Then they believe that that cause must be causing violence on the left, too. It’s the idea that for every complaint received there must ten more out there left unspoken.
The believers in and perpetrators of violence think that the ends justifies the means. It is one reason evangelicals are authoritarian and antidemocratic. They know they’re right, so anything they do to implement the things they know to be right is justified. One of the things that struck me in the post was leftist extremist who believe that antidemocratic ways and violence is justified to promote democratic inclusivity. You can’t have a democracy unless you’re going to follow democratic norms and traditions.
The public has always been able to see through the clumsy Republican attempts to create a crisis to blame on the Democrats. Every government shutdown gets laid at their feet, and it is one of the few political misdeeds they get punished for at the polls. The border “crisis” is another one. The Democrats are really elevating their blame game by loudly proclaiming their compromises with the right. The Republicans are trumpeting their own refusals to pass legislation because they don’t want “to help Biden.”
Trump in his fury at the public humiliation of losing AGAIN to E. Jean Carroll is now flexing any and all influence he has as loudly as he can. It won’t be winning over any independent voters.
Huzzah!
Jack
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I’ve been thinking about the antidemocratic opposition as an unstable coalition among several very different sub-systems. There’s the libertarian-corporate oligarchy, which includes the conservative think tanks. Then there is the authoritarian populist political movement which tends toward cult of personality, grievance emphasis, and all manner of xenophobia. And, we have the theocratic purifiers. The oligarchs are willing to use the other two as tools to gain power, but are not really concerned about their goals, and do not see them as equal partners. The other two often seem to have shared ambitions (white supremacy and christian nationalism), but will ultimately, if they achieve full power, compete for the top position. Right now, in his flailing about, the cult of personality leader is demanding to be recognized as the boss by all, including the oligarchs, even telling major donors to a competing candidate that they will be exiled from MAGAland. He’s picking a fight he can’t win. They, like Putin, have never seen him as more than a useful idiot. For them, he is mainly proof that democracy should not be allowed to run wild, that if must be managed. They don’t want a populist dictator. They do want a pseudo democracy. That is why I think there is a greater than zero chance that the conservatives on the supreme court, who all owe their careers and position to the Heritage Foundation and such, will find him ineligible for public office.
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Howdy Bob!
I think you’re analysis of the Republican coalition is about right. It is essentially a three-way deal with the devil. Each sees the other as useful for achieving their ends and are looking forward to the day when they can jettison the other three as unnecessary. Of course, Trump is the useful idiot that all hope to ride to their own victory.
I read the other day that Dimon and other billionaires want to see Trump win. That of course is due to his favoring billionaires with tax policies and regulations. The MAGA diehards hope to keep him to the bitter end. The evangelicals are interesting because they’ve convinced themselves that he is god’s chosen and his own craven behavior is proof of it.
Each has their own policy and legal goals. The billionaires don’t care about anything other than maximizing their profits and the easiest way to achieve that is through a fascist-style regime and return us all to the 1880’s. The MAGA diehards only care about being as racist and misogynist as they wanna be and maybe being martyred for the sake of the achieving their white supremacist homeland and return us all to the 1850’s. See Arlie Hochschild’s analysis of the white denizens of Louisiana’s Cancer Alley for more on that one. And, the evangenlicals, want their fascist theocracy and return us all to the days of the Puritans.
The Heritage Society may be his undoing, though, for the very reasons you site. The voting by Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett has been interesting. They are not in lock step with Trump.
Huzzah!
Jack
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I suspect that the only ones of the coalition who don’t know that the others are ready to throw them out with the used cat litter when no longer needed are the MAGAs, including Trump himself.
The conservative Justices have spent their entire adult, and likely some of their adolescence in the universe of the Heritage Foundation and it’s billionaire sponsors and larger networks. It is their home, fishing trips with Harlan Crow and all. They have a concern even close to heart, the reputation of their Court and the power of an independent judiciary. Once they rule against Trump’s immunity claims, which they will, he will make clear that when [if] he is returned to power he will come after them as disloyal, and work as quickly as possible to clean the federal courts of the non-MAGA. They can’t not be thinking of that.
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Howdy Bob!
I think you’re right on both counts. Trump is narcissistic enough to be unable to imagine a world that he is not the center of. MAGA are too smitten with him not to believe that they are on the side of right and good and needed as foot soldiers. Just like the Brown Shirts found on the Night of the Long Knives, they might not be as useful or welcome as they think. Given the rhetoric coming out of both Trump and MTG, the long knives might not be too far away, either.
SCOTUS justices have a long tradition of moderating once on the court and given the life of privilege that most of the conservatives ones have come from, they probably don’t have much empathy or use for Trump or MAGA. Trump assumed his appointees would be grateful to him and therefore loyal. I think their gratitude and loyalty lies with the Heritage Center that nurtured them for the position.
Huzzah!
Jack
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Exactly, on both counts. I think I’ve identified another overproduced elite. In that report on the militia guys going to Texas, some of the leaders are described as identifying (truthfully or not) as special forces veterans. If they are serious adrenaline junkies, nothing in civilian life can really compare to hunting Taliban and such, and the constant high intensity training. So. for some, the answer is starting their own militia.
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Howdy Bob!
There is something there, too. We’ve been using our Navy Seal Team-6 type troops more in the Middle East and African conflicts rather than “regular” troops because of the political opposition to using regular troops and casualties. That practice has been in place for over ten years perhaps as long as twenty. The efficacy of our special forces has been lowered because of it, and the number of special forces veterans now roaming the country looking for something to do has increased, I’m sure.
That’s a really good point I’ll file away for a future blog post on the subject.
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Jack
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I think it has been brewing for nearly 50 years, when we switched from the draft to the all-volunteer military, and also from in-service support units to outsourcing so that all the military could be “war fighters”. Between those two changes, a great many more people don’t have skin in the war game, and the personality and ideological profiles of veterans are much more narrow. And, of course, companies like Archer Daniels Midland are making gobs of money.
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Howdy Bob!
The military has been a source of grift from the first time anyone tried to organize an army. There is little difference between having the king’s army camp in your fields and their raids on food stores and the procurement process for the US military. It is all just a give away to those in power.
The model of privatizing government services is just grift.
Huzzah!
Jack
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And as with all grift, the most reliable money goes to the middlemen, usually, office holders and functionaries.
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Thus our military procurement overpayment and monopolistic system.
Jack
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On another subject: Once SCOTUS dispenses with Trump’s immunity claims (which they will, because BS), the trials can proceed. It appears that the J6 case will go first, likely in March. I think that if SCOTUS were to announce a clear decision either way on Trump’s eligibility and being on or off the ballot before there is a verdict in that case, they will be accused by one side or the other of jury tampering (perhaps rightly). I suspect that Chief Justice Roberts (not to be confused with The Dread Pirate Roberts) who tends to see himself as a guardian of the reputation of the court, will steer toward avoiding that situation and delay announcement until after the verdict is possible. That would also allow them to be seen as taking their time and seriously pondering the issue. A “Guilty of all charges” verdict would almost demand a finding of “ineligible”.
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Howdy Bob!
When it comes to controversial issues, I think, but am not completely certain, that the Roberts Court has avoided them or decided them narrowly. They certainly don’t make them in a hurry. It will be interesting to see how they handle the obviously fraudulent claim that Trump has immunity. However, with this Court, all bets are off. They ruled 5-4 instead of 9-0 that Texas had to let federal agents remove their razor wire border barriers.
With regard to immunity, it will be anywhere from a 7-2 to 5-4 decision, I’m sure. I’m also sure they will not be in a hurry to make it, so they will announce it at the end of their term like all of their other decisions. I have no confidence in the Court to do anything that actually serves anything other than conservative ideology.
I can’t see the Court ruling on his eligibility in any sweeping way. They will make the narrowest of decisions, and they will make it late as well. If the decision isn’t announced until the end of their current term in July, I think, then (a) Trump has already gotten the nomination and (b) it will be difficult for them to rule him ineligible for since it would throw the entire presidential election into chaos.
None of Trump’s trials will conclude before the election. Between Cannon’s friendly scheduling and allowing his delay tactics, SCOTUS delaying their decisions as long as possible, Fani Willis’ self-inflicted wound, I can’t see any trial getting underway before August 2024 at the earliest.
All of that said, I don’t think any of it matters very much. Barring anything catastrophic happening, Biden wins the election because the number one issue in the election is democracy according to recent polling.
Huzzah!
Jack
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I see it as self-defense. Been a constant at my house since I hung out my shingle: the only way you are going to ‘win’ this thing is step off the curb, into the gutter, and play the game by the same rules they play. As distasteful as that may be. See where turning the other cheek has gotten us? Time to take an eye
I <i>am</i> one of those militant activists, though I have a hard time thinking of myself as a ‘leftie’. Thought this through just this morning: a radical centrist. The right-side believes the vast majority of the population are less than sufficiently evolved and wasting air my grandkids need to survive. The left side finds it a really a bad idea to shit in the backyard … to destroy the only place we know of we can live. It’s a conundrum
Yeah, I might get hurt, might get dead, but somebody’s got to throw a (monkey) wrench in it …
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Howdy Ten Bears!
We definitely need to throw a spanner into the works. However, I don’t think it means we should be showing up to the Charlottesville-style protests and brawling in the streets. It doesn’t mean we should be going to school board meetings and threatening members on their walks to their cars afterwards. It doesn’t mean we should be making death and rape threats against people who we disagree with.
One of the findings of the survey was that most of the antidemocratic tolerance and thinking came from those who are least involved in our politics. The middle of the roaders who hold beliefs from both sides. The people at the extremes are very involved in politics and tend to support democracy.
MAGA are not extremists in that sense. They, like Trump, don’t have a political ideology. They are driven by misogyny and racism and don’t understand or care about democracy. They are essentially uninvolved politically and wouldn’t be involved except for Trump. Before Trump they were seldom or never voters who feel they have little agency.
Huzzah!
Jack
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