SUMMARY: This post explores the appeal of Donald Trump’s juvenile vulgarity among young male voters. While many in the liberal class express alarm over this trend, it may stem from a shared sense of rebellion and disconnection felt by these young men, particularly in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic. Trump’s crass remarks, like those captured in the Access Hollywood tape and his comments on Arnold Palmer, resonate with their adolescent sensibilities. However, despite this appeal, the actual voting potential of this demographic remains uncertain, as many young men are unlikely to translate their support into action at the polls.
KEY WORDS: Trump, Young men, Vulgarity, Rhetoric, Rebellion, Disconnection, Incels, Voting, Gender gap, Youth
COMMENT: Why do you think Trump appeals to young men? What is the attraction? Do you think it will have an effect on the outcome of the election?
- Trump’s Crude Rhetoric
- Young Men: A Divided Electorate
- The Feculent Touch Strikes Again
- Image Attribution
A lot has been made about the gender gap among the yutes of today and how our young men are supporting Trump. It is causing all kinds of conniption fits and angsty existential crises among the liberal hand-wringing class, who view it as one of the horsemen of the apocalypse as described by John in Revelation. It makes me wonder how these young men can support someone like Trump. The only answer that makes any sense to me is that Trump’s juvenile vulgarity and insolence resonates with their adolescent rebelliousness. Let’s don our industrial-grade hazmat suits and dive into some of the Old FART’s choicer statements.
Trump’s Crude Rhetoric
Grab ‘Em By The P****
Remember his comments on the 2005 Access Hollywood tape? It wasn’t just the crassness of the remark, it was quality of what he said, how he said it. It had all the sophistication and insight of a high school freshman trying to impress upperclassmen with their supposed “worldliness.”
I’ve got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. I just kiss. I don’t even wait.
Seriously? Who talks like that? It’s perhaps the most cringe-worthy comment ever made. Is he the poster boy for incels? Jesus. To think he said that twenty years ago when he was 58 years old. He was in his prime then. He’s not some doddering old fool. He wasn’t a twenty year old university virgin grasping for manliness.
Seriously? Who talks like that? It’s perhaps the most cringe-worthy comment ever made. Is he the poster boy for incels? That twenty years ago when he was 58 — in his prime! How does something as awkward and embarrassing as that spill out of any orifice of anyone over the age of twelve?
The Arnold Palmer Schlong Thing
More recently, he opened a speech by rambling with unfortunate coherence — careful what you pray for, knowhatimean? — about Arnold Palmer. I guess he was trying to impress the locals in Latrobe, Pennsylvania, Palmer’s hometown with how… um… well… he knew Arnold Palmer?
Anywho, he finally reached all the way around Palmer and came up with this gem:
When he took the showers with other pros, they came out of there. They said, ‘Oh my God. That’s unbelievable’ … We have women that are highly sophisticated here, but they used to look at Arnold as a man.
What? What does being a highly sophisticated woman have to do with it? What exactly is “a highly sophisticated woman” anyway? Just… Maybe the Latrobians were so impressed by his intimate knowledge of Palmer’s choicer bits that it won their hearts and votes? I dunno. I guess we’ll find out.
The Crude Sexual Comment of the Summer
Shortly after it became clear that Harris was likely going to beat him, Trump did what the Old FART does best: he melted down and spewed his impotence all over the social media. It resulted in this vulgarity:
Funny how blowjobs impacted both their careers differently.
Nothing grabs a young man’s attention quite like a blowjob, am I right or am I right? I’m right, right? Whatever social cool points that witticism might have won him at the frat house or in the locker room was lost at the entryway to the campaign.
Young Men: A Divided Electorate
Understanding the Young Male Voter Demographic
While this type of gross crassness may appeal to certain young men—or even those of us still young at heart—it may not actually be translating into votes.
The Harvard Youth Poll indicates that Harris and the Democrats are likely to win the under-thirty vote, but Trump has been narrowing the margin by increasing his support from young men. Many of these young men feel socially and economically disconnected due to the #COVID19 lockdowns and the resulting economic malaise. They don’t see the Democratic Party addressing the issues and see Trump “more as an anti-hero than a villain.”
Less-Likely vs. More-Likely Young Male Voters
However, young men are not a monolith; there are shades of gray. We can divide young men into two broad groups: those less-likely and those more-likely to vote. According to MSNBC’s Inside with Jen Psaki, Harris is leading Trump by 17 points among “young men who say they ‘definitely will vote.'” It’s the definitely will vote part that is crucial here.
The less-likely-to-vote young men are often more attracted to the Old FART. When you think about it, it makes sense. Rebelliousness doesn’t exactly correlate with responsibility and commitment. These young men don’t trust “the Man,” the system, or our institutions. They are disaffected and disconnected.
The Feculent Touch Strikes Again
They might be willing to make fifty bucks sitting in a focus group, telling everyone how much they love Donald Trump. They may even tell a pollster they plan to vote for him. But when it comes down to it, how likely are they to actually vote? Not very.
It is no wonder that a generation of young male first-time-but-unlikely-voters favors Trump; he sounds just like them. But, we should not be worried that these young bucks are going to push the geriatric rebel into the Oval Office because that demographic suffers from the feculent touch that taints everything and everyone else Trump comes into contact with.

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This has been a signature feature of his campaign all along, that the pollsters are jsut eliding. I remember seeing a discusion here months ago where panic was being raised over the remarkably greater trump support among voters …who hadn’t voted in any recent elections.
It’s sort of the corrolary to Newton’s first Law: “Bodies at rest tend to remain at rest.”
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Howdy Bruce!
Past is prologue. There’s a reason people haven’t voted before, and it probably will be what keeps them from voting him in the future. Toxic masculinity doesn’t correlate well with reliability and commitment.
There is lots of evidence that favors Harris, so I have hope. This election may be the death of polling.
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Jack
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ON that Death of Polling thing, Tengrain had this up on his MockPaperScissors blog Yesterday (I haven’t had the time to get into it being kind of consumed with the ‘putting the food on the table’ kind of work unrelated to the election) but this raises the kind of existential issue for pollsters: What if they people answering your polls are lying to you?
Kinda hard to ‘adjust’ your way outta that…
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Howdy Bruce!
I hear ya. Part-time blogger, full-time citizen is a hard life to live, especially the blogging part. At least Ma Belle Femme doesn’t complain about being a blogging widow.
Between the lying to pollsters, being avoidant of pollsters — most people don’t want to be polled, apparently — and the impossibility of creating a representative sample of the population voting in 2024, the polls cannot be accurate. My guess is that the polls are way off. The only question is which direction. I may be wrong. The pollsters may have figured out work arounds for all their issues and come out smelling more like 2020 than 2016, but my money is on they’re going to be some of the worst polls in history.
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Jack
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That us the way most men and women talk to each other.
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Howdy Ernest!
It may be the way most people talk to each other, but it isn’t the way people running for high office talk to their constituents. Different situations call for different ways of speaking and acting. What is appropriate in one place, isn’t appropriate in another. That is a social reality that (a) all societies have and (b) we all live. That he violates it so cavalierly tells us something fundamentally important about both Trump and his supporters.
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Jack
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To an important degree, for them Trump is entertainment far more than the savior of their vested interests, and they probably enjoy watching the crazed old fart MAGAs make fools of themselves just as much. Also, having another beer and another slice of pizza at the sports bar looks so much more the thing to do when you’ve decided he’s obviously going to win, than going to vote. Besides, just saying you’re going to vote for Trump drives your center-right Democrat parents as frantic as actually doing it, and requires no additional effort. Now, all they need to do is find enough young women who think voting for Trump is sexy and they’ll have it made.
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Howdy Bob!
As the campaign winds down to a close, I think it is clear that Trump’s entire plan is to steal the election through the courts and Congress. Trump and the Republicans have devolved at least a part of our society down to just thinking it makes it so and the only thing that is important is offending, alarming, or angering people.
I teach sixth grade, ten and eleven year olds. One of the things that we teach is that you have to manage your own behavior. These folks don’t want to manage their behavior. It is a remarkable turn of events. With any luck, we won’t be allowing this to run the country.
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Jack
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In a way, that attitude by Trump and the gang reminds me of the entitlement of the European colonizers, saying they could go roaming around the planet and simply find new places where people unlike them lived and claim ownership. They don’t steal things like the Presidency. They’ve already decided they own it.
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Howdy Bob!
There is a collective narcissism. All of the collective narcissism, mass psychosis, and the normalization of lying for personal gain are aspects of groupthink with all the resulting disastrous and immoral decisions that flow from it. The narcissism reflects the entitlement that so many white people feel about getting the power in society to make decisions for everyone else, for setting the agenda, and determining the values that are enacted — usually those values are whatever is best for white people at the expense of everyone else.
We’ve had five hundred years to grow accustom to the being kept in higher living standards than the rest of the world, and we — as a collective — expect that to continue.
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And significant numbers of us always seem to be thinking “they” are coming to take it all away. Maybe that is just how it feels when you’re in denial about living on stolen land enjoying the fruits of a collective wealth created by slave labor.
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Systemic guilt to go along with our systemic racism that gets passed from generation to generation through our institutions? Why not. It makes sense to me.
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I tend to see it more in terms of generational PTSD, of a population (White) who lived for several hundred years in fear of slave rebellions and Natives resisting the taking of their land. I’m not quite ready to credit the racists with feeling guilt when fear will suffice. No matter how firmly a class may believe in their own righteousness in taking something, having taken it, they know it can be taken.
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Howdy Bob!
I’m willing to concede the point. White people “know” how they’d react if they were held in subjugation and they project that onto all the others that they subjugated. Luckily for us, the peoples we’ve oppressed seek nothing more than to be treated fairly and not to become the oppressors.
Living in constant fear and stress leads to mass psychosis, as we’ve seen. Perhaps that is another explanation for our current crop of MAGA affiliates.
However, I take comfort in knowing that they are not as likely to vote as say Republican suburban women are, and I reckon about half of them are voting Harris just based on abortion.
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Jack
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Women know what is really on the line. When the abortion question was seen as about loose women dumping inconvenient babies, many women could be against it. Now, it is about them, their mothers, their sisters, their daughters, and their granddaughters facing death if anything goes wrong in a pregnancy, of many young women fearing getting pregnant even who want a child.
Samuel Johnson was quite right when he said — ‘Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully.’
And, we tend to forget what happened the day after Trump was inaugurated in 2017. Women marched in huge numbers.
It may well be the women’s vote that decides this election.
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Howdy Bob!
And, there are just some horrific stories coming out of Texas about abortion disasters and that smug psychopath Ken Paxton bragging that they are protecting the right of doctors — DOCTORS!!1! — to follow their conscious and let women die rather than perform abortions on fetuses that are unlikely to live anyway. I’m hoping Allred is able to beat Cruz — another smug psychopath — just based on the abortion issue alone.
As we get closer to Election Day — or is it now the final day of voting? — everything but the polls seems to be breaking Harris’ way. I remember looking at the numbers of Republican women voting early and thinking that it isn’t the advantage Republicans think it is because it was Republican women who passed abortion measures in red states.
Also, much is being made of the Muslim protest vote against Harris over Gaza, I think the same or more should be made about the protest vote against Trump led by Hailey. I don’t think everyone registered as Republican is voting for Trump, but I think every registered voting Democrat is voting for Harris.
Last thing, I’d heard that Harris’ campaign was pleased with their polling in the blue wall states and, obviously, Trump is deeply worried about North Carolina since he has been there so much over the last couple of days.
Huzzah!
Jack
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A poll from the De Moines Register has Harris taking Iowa, and two incumbent Iowa MOCs (R) losing. Maybe, its the women taking out the guys who wrote the abortion bans, or maybe it’s the farmers who know what tariff wars do to them.
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I hadn’t seen that one, but Electoral Vote — disappointing widget displayed on my sidebar — has Iowa barely Republican. I think, it might, just might turn into a landslide. However, it occurs to me that that will be a bad thing since Trump and the right will argue that a landslide is impossible, so there MUST be cheating and rigging happening. We’ll see how the courts react to a lack of evidence this time around.
Huzzah!
Jack
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One good sign is that even Republican state AGs and courts are clear that country election boards do not get to reject vote counts. As for the courts, both sides appear to be ramped up with hordes of lawyers at all levels. It is also predictable that even if Trump were to win the Electoral College and the popular vote, he would still attack the results anywhere he didn’t.
Another outcome if it is the women’s votes that give Harris the win, there will be some number of women with MAGA partners showing up at DV shelters, ERs, and morgues. Those men will be enraged by what they see as betrayal equivalent to being sexually unfaithful , and even if she actually did vote for Trump, they won’t believe her. For other right wing men, it will be just more proof that giving women the vote was a mistake.
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I hope the young men who vote for Trump realize that their vote is buying them a front row seat to an authoritarian regime where success in anything will be anchored in absolute support of everything the dictator says and does and if they make one mis-step, they are opening themselves to possibly horrendous retributions.
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Howdy John!
I think they realize it and that’s what they want because they are so in lock step with Trump, they don’t think they can misstep.
Huzzah!
Jack
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