
Trolls went from fun-loving blood-thirsty brutal creatures in Norse fairy tales who were like the old Vikings who basically murdered and raped their way through and around Europe to the cool and sometimes funny DnD and fantasy monsters to really horrible people on the Interwebs. Anyone whose internet access hasn’t been trapped in a coal mine for the past ten years has probably been assaulted, harassed, or otherwise disturbed by the dreaded Internet troll. Lots and lots has been written about how to react to and cope with trolls. Entire forums have been shutdown by trolls. People have been driven to suicide by trolls. The Interwebs trolls are the horriblest people imaginable and now it is science fact!
Examples of Trolling

The most disturbing ones are the elaborate fantasies for how I should be raped or maimed or killed in order to “teach me a lesson” about why whatever I’ve written is so wrong. I’ve received recommendations that I should be sodomized with a gun, that I should be raped by a thousand men, that I should be raped and murdered by terrorists, and that I should be handed over to ISIS to become another journalist murdered on camera — and those are just the ones I happen to remember off the top of my head, not a complete list.

In the article, Susan Svrluga reports that “Pozner [father of Sandy Hook victim] said he gets ugly comments often on social media, such as, ‘Eventually you’ll be tried for your crimes of treason against the people,’ ‘…I won’t be satisfied until the caskets are opened…’ and ‘How much money did you get for faking all of this?'”
Stalking Laws and Impulse Control
Seriously, this is some gross twisted shit. What gives? Why do people — mostly men — do this? I used to quip, Anonymity and poor impulse control are a bad combination. And, there is some truth to that. Anyone can make a social media or email account. It you worry about it being traced back to your IP Address, it is easy enough to use a public computer for this crap. But, seriously, there is so much trolling on the Interwebs that who is going to bother except for in the most egregious cases. Let’s face it, if the parents of the children and adults slaughtered at bleeding Sandy Hook can’t get the haters to stop hatin’ on them, who can? When the President of the US is crying on national TV for all love about the crime, you’d think Justice and FBI would stop it if it could be stopped, right?
Can anyone say whether any kind of law has been violated? Do you know? Do I know? Does anyone know? What are your rights online? Of course, in the States it varies by state, and there is a federal anti-stalking law that covers Internet stalking. The federal law only makes threats of harm prosecutable. The National Center for Victims of Crime has a stalking resources page that lists all the statutes concerning stalking in the US. Apparently, the UK, Australia, and New Zealand have laws against internet trolling with the UK jailing five a day.
So, there’s that stuff. Maybe there is hope after all for the Interwebs to be a safe place to play for men, women, children, minorities, the LGBTQ population, small puppies, hamsters, and kittens. But, probably that is a little Pollyannaish on my part. So, sue me, why don’t, ya? Just because inside this crusty sarcastic cynical curmudgeonly shell is a living beating pie-in-the-sky Pollyanna.
Personality Traits of an Interwebs Troll
Why do haters hate and trollers troll? Psychology addresses the problem from several angles: personality, social psychology, and cognitive psychology. My little quip is about cognitive psychology. It gets to executive function, which among other things addresses impulse control and imagining the consequences of your actions. Social psychology encompasses the effects of group membership and identification and dehumanization. Personality psychology addresses those traits within us that we carry from situation to situation, you know the things that make you a special little snowflake or whatever. That give us some continuity in our behavior, thoughts, and reactions as we travel through this glorious wonderment called life. Ooh. I just threw-up a little bit in my mouth.
Trolls Just Wanna Have Fun!

We start with a 2014 study, Trolls Just Want to have Fun. The authors surveyed over 1,000 individuals concerning their personalities and commenting histories. They found, through the magic of statistics, that there was a strong correlation between these three factors: commenting frequency, the enjoyment of trolling, and identifying as a troll. This type of statistical association strongly suggests a common variable linking all three.
Now, here is the earth shaking part: Online trolling behavior is a form of sadism. Yes, you read that right. Fucking Inter fucking net fucking trolls are SADISTS! And, not even the fun kind of sadists. They just like causing people discomfort and pain and sadness. If they weren’t so fucking disgusting, I might feel sorry for them. More thoughts:
- It is everyday sadism!
- Now, think: how many mo’fo’s be out there trollin! Now, that is a lot of sadists in this world. Kinda scary.
- Trolling also paired up with psychopathy and Machiavellianism, but sadism had the strongest correlative link.
Dark Triad & Dark Tetrad
These three traits, psychopathy, Machiavellianism, and sadism, when taken together along with narcissism, make the Dark Tetrad! Without the sadism, it is just the Dark Triad. I bet you’re wondering Am I a Dark Triader? Take the Dark Triad Questionnaire and find out! I am infrequently vile. Whoo-hoo! Good times. Take the test and post your results in the comments.

Check out the figure below for how strongly the Dark Tetrad correlates with trolling! Wow! That is impressive. The only thing these mo’fo’s do online is troll. They don’t like to debate, chat, not-comment, or other.

In all of the summaries of the study including the study’s abstract, they say sadism correlates the strongest with trolling and psychopathy and Machiavellianism also correlate highly, but narcissism doesn’t. But, the graph above suggests that it does. What gives here? I guess the answer lies in the original publication of the study in Personality and Individual Differences (It costs like $40.00 to read the damned thing, and I ain’t paying it. Sorry. If you pay it and care to share in the comments, please do).
Goals & Motivations for Trolls by the Dark Tetrad
The narcissist is motivated to troll by a narcissistic wound. A narcissist is someone who has an excessive sense of their own importance and worth, is overly occupied with themselves, and has little to no empathy for others. Among other things, narcissists need constant attention, praise, and reassurance, and will fall into a rage if they feel they have been slighted. Sound like anyone we all know? If you said, Donald Trump, you’d be right.
A narcissistic wound occurs when a steady source of admiration, adulation, and praise has been removed and, possibly, even an insult or other slight has been perceived. Narcissists do not have boundaries. They will suck the life from whomever they can. They will take and manipulate and never ever give back. So, it is easy to imagine a narcissist commenting on a thread and getting some praise and admiration for their “expert” comments when suddenly things go pear-shaped and the narcissist feels slighted, rejected, and ignored. That’s when the bombs start flying.
Machiavellianism is a psychological concept that refers to a manipulative, cynical, and shrewd personality. For the Machiavellian personality, the ends justify the means and other people are just another means to that end. I imagine that such a person just wants to manipulate others when being a troll. They aren’t necessarily out to hurt anyone, nor do they want praise and admiration, but they do want to watch people jump through hoops. Rather like this guy.
Psychopaths are people who have a remarkable lack of empathy, are callous, and are manipulative. Often they are given to lying, have lack a sense of guilt, blame others for everything, are impulsive, and are charming. There is a clear deficit in the areas of the brain that will restrain immoral behavior. The diminished sense of guilt allows a psychopath to do whatever they like. The diminished sense of empathy means that a psychopath doesn’t care if you get hurt. The only thing that limits a psychopath’s behavior is getting caught.
Psychopaths probably do not go looking to troll. They probably do it because they are bored. They happen upon it or go back to it. They don’t necessarily enjoy the pain they cause, they just don’t care if they do. Given that they can be arrogant and condescending, they are far more likely to troll just to put people in their place or because they can or because the victim deserves, but whatever the reason, it ain’t their fault!
Sadists are people who derive pleasure from the pain of others. We all know that. It is often associated with sensual pain and a resulting sensual pleasure all wrapped up in a consensual context. But everyday sadists are people who not only feel pleasure when others are in pain, they seek out opportunities to hurt innocents. There is also a difference between those who would physically hurt someone and those who would only mentally or verbally harm others. Obviously, Internet trolls are everyday sadists who seek opportunities to mentally or verbally hurt people.
The one thing that ties all of these personality traits together is callousness, a blatant disregard for the well-being of others. Each in their own way is willing to hurt others for their own gain. This is no where more obvious than with the Internet troll.
Your Drunk Uncle

Just like your drunk uncle loves to get a rise out of you, the sadistic Interwebs trolls gets all the pleasures out of doing all the trolling because he or she gets a rise out you. But, just like there ain’t no stopping your drunk uncle short of not inviting him to Thanksgiving dinner, there is no real stopping the trolls short of closing down your comments section.
And just like your drunk uncle depends on your reaction to keep going, all the Dark Tetrad traits that drive Interwebs trolls depend upon your reaction to keep them going, ignoring them is likely to be your bestest bet on getting them to desist, especially the sadist. If the sadist can’t derive any pleasure from your pain, then he or she is going to go look for another victim. Just like burglary, you want to make your house more difficult to burgal than your neighbor’s, and you want to make some other schmuck much easier to troll than yourself.
Well, that’s uplifting and heartwarming and all that shit, ain’t it? Thanks Obama!
Say why don’t youins tell us all about a heartwarming uplifting interaction you had with a Interwebs troll in the comments!


In reference to your statement, “…Along about 2017 I got tired of writing about Trump’s personality disorder and executive dysfunction …”
My problem with the thesis you presented in that particular comment is that it appears to me that about half our nation shares the very same traits that “he” represents. I feel that is a dangerous place for Democracy to be.
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Howdy John!
Many of our fellow citizens do share his traits and are opposed to our democracy, but it is no where near half. I broke it down once. It goes something like this:
The population of the US is approximately 350 million people.
74 million voted for Trump in 2020, that’s 20% of the population.
Of that 74 million, some of them are “independent” voters, but most are MAGA Republicans, so MAGA is less than one fifth of the population. It just seems like more given news coverage and how vocal they are.
That breakdown is why we need to focus on getting out the vote and defeating the Republican disenfranchisement strategies.
Huzzah!
Jack
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Your analysis is welcome and I must say, comforting. I thought there were a lot more neanderthals among us than what you have discovered and so this morning I am resting easier– thank you.
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As I tell my students, always do the math.
Realizing the proportions is a source of comfort, but the tendency of the news media to make support seem larger and stronger than it is and to legitimize Trump as a candidate is very concerning.
Jack
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the media is paid to make everything bigger than life …
By the way, did you see this yet — https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2023/05/13/fbi-raid-condo-unit-russians-trump-towers-in-florida/70215760007/
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I’ve only seen the FBI raid reported in a limited number of news outlets. It sounds like they’ve been looking for laundered money and assets hidden from the sanctions. It probably doesn’t touch Trump very closely since he just licensed his name for the building and they had bought a decade before that happened.
Huzzah!
Jack
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I noted this statement in your article … “Psychopaths are people who have a remarkable lack of empathy, are callous, and are manipulative. Often they are given to lying, have lack a sense of guilt, blame others for everything, are impulsive, and are charming. There is a clear deficit in the areas of the brain that will restrain immoral behavior. …” and it occurred to me that just described most of the contemporary radical right wing nut jobs. (Including some of those that have been elected to congress.) (One of them might even have been playing president.) (My opinion entirely)
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Howdy John!
Along about 2017 I got tired of writing about Trump’s personality disorder and executive dysfunction. In 2021, I pretty much quit writing about them because I had run out of things to say. He’s primarily a textbook narcissist with sadistic (psychopathic) features. Unfortunately, the wheel has turned sufficiently for me to feel the need to write about his diagnoses more… not that the powers that be have read the blog and seen with my crystal clear analysis not only what we’re up against, but how we should resist it. More’s the pity.
Huzzah!
Jack
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I am thinking that somewhere along the line somebody is going to find a connection between Trump and the Russians. He has defended them on several occasions. His followers in the congress are sometimes called “The Putin Party” for these reasons. I think if the authorities can follow the money successfully they are going to learn some mighty interesting things about dear old Trumpy.
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I’m hoping for a smoking gun type connection. There have been plenty of hints and indirect connections, like Paul Manafort and the Trump server communicating with Alfa Bank and Supreme Court Justice Kennedy’s son being his loan officer at Deutsche Bank. Unfortunately, there are numerous other crimes that could take Trump down. I’m most hopeful for the secret document grab, dash, and stash. I guess we all have our favorites.
Jack
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With what appears to me to be unwarranted stonewalling and procrastination on the part of Merrick Garland, and with the American Jurisprudence’s system of “Appeals,” I am not sure anything except attritional causations will ever take Trump down …and if anything does take Trump down, I believe there are far more dangerous characters than him waiting in the wings to fill the vacuum.
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Howdy John!
There is caution and then there is caution. Garland is verging into the paralyzed end of things. Hopefully Jack Smith will bring him out of it. Jack Smith does seem like the real McCoy and is the fuck around and find out type.
They, and by they I mean the Koch Bros and similar billionaire types, have been working towards this moment fo decades. They aren’t about to let it go without a fight. They surely have potential autocrats cued up and ready to march across the stage.
Huzzah!
Jack
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The problem is not that your analysis is absolutely on target; the problem is that there are so many contemporary Americans ready and willing to embrace the reality of autocratic rule in one degree or another. Thus, “Trum-fu*cking P!
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Howdy John!
I think that my conclusion is that there are about 30% of any population that has an authoritarian personality and preference. They always have been and always will be among us. The question is how do we live together and still have a democracy?
Huzzah!
Jack
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In answer to your question, “how do those who embrace democracy live together with the authoritarians among us?
My opinion is, ” the coexistence of authoritarians and advocates of democracy can be complex and may require ongoing efforts to maintain. However, I believe that by prioritizing individual rights, pluralism, civic education, and inclusive participation, it is possible to create a democratic society that accommodates diverse political perspectives.
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The coexistence of authoritarians and advocates of democracy can be complex and may require ongoing efforts to maintain. However, I believe that by prioritizing individual rights, pluralism, civic education, and inclusive participation, it is possible to create a democratic society that accommodates diverse political perspectives. This is how it worked up until the great division began and I believe it is a reasonable solution for reasonable people. The rub is when one faction becomes unreasonable and incorrigible in their opposition to the mutuality of interest required to maintain a cohesive and stable– and enduring social paradigm.
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Howdy John!
That’s the thing, we’ve made nice with the authoritarians before: the 3/5ths compromise, the end of the Civil War, the end of Jim Crow, and they always come back and they always try to destroy the democracy. Democracy is fragile because it depends on compromise between the majority and minority. The GOP has figured out what every two year old has: if they hold their breath long enough mommy will give in and they’ll get candy. If enough people quit following social norms, society will fall apart. If all of the political parties don’t compromise in good faith, democracy and government cannot work.
They are willing to burn it all down to get what they think is right because they’re so sure that they’re right.
There just may not be any governing with that attitude. Hopefully, they’ll snap out of it before it is too late.
Huzzah!
Jack
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They will not snap out of it because they suffer from “Locked-In-Thinking Syndrome.
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They won’t ever snap out of it. The only thing we can do is vote them out in overwhelming numbers. The Republican Party must go the way of the Whigs. They have to suffer catastrophic loses in which they hold no important offices. We’ll see if the American electorate can pull it off. It means that middle class suburban white people resist the Pied Piper of Dog Whistles and stop voting Republican because they fear Black and immigrant crime.
Huzzah!
Jack
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Almost half of the American electorate have been severely brainwashed by Trump propaganda to the point that America will always be on the edge from this day forward — The Trump faction, also known as “The Putin Party” are securely implanted now and their whole thrust is to destroy democracy and institute a permanent autocracy.
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I still remember seeing people at Trump rallies with t-shirts saying things like, I’d rather live in Putin’s Russia than in a Democratic America. There is just something wrong there.
I’ve often said that Putin figured out how to subvert liberal democracies: he bought a political party. He bought the Republicans cheap. He sold them his book on how to create and run an oligarchy.
Huzzah!
Jack
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And Trump was the willing interpreter of that book if you will recall.
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Oh yeah. Putin used to run useful idiots like Trump for the KGB. He knew exactly how to play Trump when he met him. Like all victims of a con, they want it as much as the con does, until they realize they were took. Up until then, they are eager to give up whatever to get whatever it is supposedly being offered.
The Republicans, though, they are salivating over the prospect of having their very own Putinesque oligarchy with them as the only party that wins elections.
Jack
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That’s their goal alright –I agree.
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Fascinating analysis and clear definition of said archetypes. It was interesting for me to note that when reading each one I could think of at least one person I knew that fit that type, especially the narcissist! Is there a particular type of person that attracts narcissists? Because I may fit into that. And how exactly does the sociopath differ from the psychopath? Do they possess any degree of empathy?
Nina
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Since neither psychopath or sociopath are scientific terms used by psychologists or sociologists, they exist largely in the vernacular. Because of this, there is no real difference between them. They are used interchangeably. That said psychologists will use the term psychopath to describe a person with the cluster of traits listed when doing research.
And yes, there is a type that narcissists are attracted to. Usually it is a person who can be manipulated and may tend to be dependent or at least not independent. And, who doesn’t need to be in the lead and is content to admire them.
It is always best to run as fast as you can from any of these types once you realize one of them is in your life. No good will ever come of associating with a person with a personality disorder.
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Oh no I’m hugely independent and I never give in to this type. I like to befriend all kinds of people as everyone is evolving in different ways and narcissism is a trait that many possess in varying degrees. But thank you for the definitive clarification 🙂
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Most mental health issues exist on a spectrum and we all have our moments. So, yeah, all of us are narcissistic to some degree. But a diagnosable narcissist is basically an asshole with a capital A-S-S if you’ll excuse my French.
Being independent is the best way to avoid potential entanglements. The real dangerous one is the psychopath who will charm just about anyone. The defense is to be an old curmudgeon like me who is suspicious of any charm or complements.
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First of all, thank you so much for the ping back! And thank you so much for this gem of a post! This is going on my twitterfeed fer sure!
Oh, have you noticed how Machiavellianists (spelling?) and Narcissists are not as intelligent as they think? Once you realize what they are – they are quite the laughing stock 🙂
I also got the infrequently vile on the test, welcome to the dark side 🙂
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Our infrequent visits to the dark side! Story of my life. Narcissists are definitely not as intelligence as they think — look at Trump! Too self absorbed to realize. I don’t know about Machiavellianists (spelling is correct, even if your spell checker doesn’t agree) to know about intelligence, but that guy on the Vox video. He wasn’t bright, but practiced enough to make his jokes — that kind of thing is learned.
It was a fun post to write. I didn’t know about the personality aspects of trolling, so I got to learn something. And, I loved your story of the trolls. It was very inspirational.
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